New XM25 Grenade Launcher Announced by US Military

[Jasper]

I notice Persona said that the RPG7 is meant for taking out "fast, lightly armored" things, or words to that effect.

There are rounds for that platform that are specified for piercing up to 700mm of RHA (steel armor plate) AFTER it pierces reactive armor.

So that kind of begs the question, what kind of "fast light armor" has 2.3 feet of hardened steel plate and reactive armor?

[Don Coyote]

Enemy combatants regrouping or gathering in an area doesn't count as a formation? Splitting apart enemy combatants in order to capture one of single out a target does not count as disrupting formation?

The current enemy combatants look just like the civilians.

I didn't say BODY ARMOR, I said ARMOR.  You know, tanks, APCs, etc.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

You actually believe the United States would cut out tanks and armored transport?
Not to mention how would adding a grenade launcher justify removing heavily armored vehicles from service? The two do not fulfill the same roles and it would be foolish to think adding a grenade launcher would replace an armored vehicle.
Perhaps it is you, stuck in some sort of conspiratorial delusion, that is confused.
Adding a small arm is in no way a replacement for armored vehicles.

I did misconstrue what you said previously and for that I apologize. I just assumed you were staying in the realm of infantry, not hopping around into all sorts of other topics without announcing a change.

They  have, are and will. Back before I joined my recruiter was bitching about how they(Big Army) was cutting down on tanks in favor of strykers, which has been going on since. If Big Army can cut costs somewhere they will. Why do you think we use 5.56mm NATO cartridges? They are cheaper than 7.62mm.

I notice Persona said that the RPG7 is meant for taking out "fast, lightly armored" things, or words to that effect.

There are rounds for that platform that are specified for piercing up to 700mm of RHA (steel armor plate) AFTER it pierces reactive armor.

So that kind of begs the question, what kind of "fast light armor" has 2.3 feet of hardened steel plate and reactive armor?

That is for buildings. I think.

[Jasper]

They put reactive armor on buildings?

ETA:  Link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PG-7VR

[Don Coyote]

They put reactive armor on buildings?

ETA:  Link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PG-7VR

Note the "I think" cuz that does sound retardiculous.

[Jasper]

I think it is for buildings and tanks, although I can't imagine why not just use a thermobaric round on a building instead.  Probably "service" more targets that way.

[Persona Facade]

It appears arguing about this any further will bring about nothing; hell I have no idea what I am going to argue anymore anyway.

But I do believe that we have ascertained the implementing of this weapon has pros and cons. The only questions remaining is:
Do you think it has potential to be useful or beneficial? Would it be better to scrap the project and apply what has been learned from its research to other areas?

Was nice debating this subject with you all.

[Persona Facade]

I think we should spag this thread up with firearm geekery.

Agreed. Anyone want to measure Colt 1911 v Colt Python?

Python:
1.1kg of badassery backed by .357 magnum rounds

1911:
.45 caliber semi-auto goodness

Someone with more knowledge than me should add to this fire.

[Jasper]

Do you think it has potential to be useful or beneficial? Would it be better to scrap the project and apply what has been learned from its research to other areas?

Well, yeah.  If enemies behind cover was such a big problem, sure.  This sort of thing would be great for fighting battles that resemble a laser tag arena, for instance.

But the problem is that bullets are so good at ignoring cover these days that there is really no need for expensive gadgets that cleverly defeat cover.  It is much cheaper just to use a weapon with better penetration and shoot through the cover.  Even an engine block is no inconvenience to the right rifle.

[Phox]

I think we should spag this thread up with firearm geekery.

Agreed. Anyone want to measure Colt 1911 v Colt Python?

Python:
1.1kg of badassery backed by .357 magnum rounds

1911:
.45 caliber semi-auto goodness

Someone with more knowledge than me should add to this fire.

What's the comparison? They are completely different guns for two completely different purposes made by the same company.

[Persona Facade]

What's the comparison? They are completely different guns for two completely different purposes made by the same company.

The comparison is which one is cooler.

Just mention anything unique about the weapon that comes to mind. Which you prefer and why.

[BadBeast]

If you're going with cool Colts, It'll have to be the Anaconda. Because you can put a telescopic sight on it, and use it for big game hunting.

[Persona Facade]

If you're going with cool Colts, It'll have to be the Anaconda. Because you can put a telescopic sight on it, and use it for big game hunting.

I've done this with my uncle before..well adjusting the sights anyway.
He has roughly 30-40 firearms. Including one shotgun which I actually cannot fire effectively due to my giant thumbs, the knuckle is so large cocking it causes the sliding part of the ejection port to dig into my skin. Incredibly flexible fingers are not always advantageous apparently.


I personally prefer the 1911. It produces a pleasing sound when fired and it is very accurate. Badass Handgun.

Moderately off-topic, but so is this whole thing, anyone else notice the python doesn't have nearly as much recoil as it is hyped to have?

[Phox]

Never fired either, but I'm partial to good old fashioned revolvers.

[Cain]

I'm a big fan of RDX.

[BadBeast]

]I like the solid comfort, and "Under the Coat" security of a sawn off, side by side double barrelled twelve bore. Traditional persuader of the Old Firm Blaggers, it's use has fallen by the wayside, largely because the Tactical Firearms Units, have adopted the most unsporting habit, of getting tooled up with H&K MP5s, and shooting the fuck out of any Jobbing Gentleman Blagger, with the temerity to arm themselves, in time honoured fashion, before putting on the traditional Donkey Jacket, and  stocking mask, and engaging in a good old fashioned Bankjob, or Wages Heist.
Bloody EU directives, eroding our traditional British way of life!      


I blame the popular 70's Docu-drama "The Sweeney" , with little Denis Waterman, always yelling at Inspecter Morse "Look aht Guv, 'es got a shoota!" before chinning the hapless Villain, and leading him off, in cuffs  to be banged up for another 12 stretch in  the Scrubs.