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Big Universe is Big

Started by AFK, December 04, 2010, 02:43:25 PM

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It's also got shit that's very very small.... wow.....
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Very cool!  I've always been intrigued at how we seem to be at the very middle of these things.   

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Quote from: Sigmatic on December 04, 2010, 07:37:08 PM
Very cool!  I've always been intrigued at how we seem to be at the very middle of these things.   

We are in the middle of everything, unless the universe as a whole is rotating.
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Quote from: Golden Applesauce on December 05, 2010, 05:15:39 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 04, 2010, 07:37:08 PM
Very cool!  I've always been intrigued at how we seem to be at the very middle of these things.   

We are in the middle of everything, unless the universe as a whole is rotating.

In terms of scale, we are about in the middle of sizes, unlesss the scroll bar they made is weird like that.
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maybe our knowledge of what is out there is just centered on our own size category.
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indeed. Science is looking both up and down, and apparently both the large-scale and the small-scale limits push at their orders of magnitude at a similar pace. Because the scales are logarithmic and the progress isn't, this is probably not nearly as unlikely as it seems. Much less unlikely than us just happening to exist right in the middle of scales of magnitude taken as absolute.

In fact, there is nothing we can say about it because we don't know if the smallest scale we currently know is in fact the smallest scale there is. Same about the largest scales. So the fact that we're right in the middle says a lot more about the limits of scientific progress than about the actual scale structure of the universe.
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Quote from: Triple Zero on December 05, 2010, 01:23:11 PM
indeed. Science is looking both up and down, and apparently both the large-scale and the small-scale limits push at their orders of magnitude at a similar pace. Because the scales are logarithmic and the progress isn't, this is probably not nearly as unlikely as it seems. Much less unlikely than us just happening to exist right in the middle of scales of magnitude taken as absolute.

In fact, there is nothing we can say about it because we don't know if the smallest scale we currently know is in fact the smallest scale there is. Same about the largest scales. So the fact that we're right in the middle says a lot more about the limits of scientific progress than about the actual scale structure of the universe.

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Quote from: Triple Zero on December 05, 2010, 01:23:11 PM
indeed. Science is looking both up and down, and apparently both the large-scale and the small-scale limits push at their orders of magnitude at a similar pace. Because the scales are logarithmic and the progress isn't, this is probably not nearly as unlikely as it seems. Much less unlikely than us just happening to exist right in the middle of scales of magnitude taken as absolute.

In fact, there is nothing we can say about it because we don't know if the smallest scale we currently know is in fact the smallest scale there is. Same about the largest scales. So the fact that we're right in the middle says a lot more about the limits of scientific progress than about the actual scale structure of the universe.
Exactly.  We're in the middle of the scale because we made the scale.  I think that any intelligent Arcturus or HIV sized beings capable of coming up with their own scale would find themselves in the middle theirs as well.

It's the same reason why the map on the wall in my school looked like this,


instead of this.
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I take it back, in terms of meters we're about 9 orders of magnitude larger than the very center of what we've observed.  Transistor gates and the like are closer to the middle of the logarithmic scales between the size of the universe and strings.

Right?  That's what I'm seeing.

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Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 06, 2010, 04:00:57 AM
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It's the same reason why the map on the wall in my school looked like this,


instead of this.


Yeah, but the map on my school wall never looked like the bottom one.
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Quote from: Rumckle on December 06, 2010, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 06, 2010, 04:00:57 AM
SNIP

It's the same reason why the map on the wall in my school looked like this,


instead of this.


Yeah, but the map on my school wall never looked like the bottom one.

That's because your convict ancestors were also from the Northern Hemisphere.  :D
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