THE GREAT BOOK SLAUGHTER

[Juana]

And fucking expensive!

[hooplala]

Miracleman (Marvelman) is an amazing comic... I'm not sure its better than Promethea.  Remind me again what the criteria are for this list?

[Phox]

Miracleman (Marvelman) is an amazing comic... I'm not sure its better than Promethea.  Remind me again what the criteria are for this list?

you read it and liked it.

[hooplala]

Miracleman (Marvelman) is an amazing comic... I'm not sure its better than Promethea.  Remind me again what the criteria are for this list?

you read it and liked it.

Oh.  Well then both should be on there I guess. 

[LMNO]

So, this is going to be a book list by Discordians, rather than a Discordian Book List?

There's a difference.  I was hoping it would be a list of good books that would also help people understand what the hell we're on about.

[Phox]

Yes, it is apparently a Book List by Discordians.

[hooplala]

I was hoping it would be a list of good books that would also help people understand what the hell we're on about.

That was my understanding and hope too...

[Placid Dingo]

So, this is going to be a book list by Discordians, rather than a Discordian Book List?

There's a difference.  I was hoping it would be a list of good books that would also help people understand what the hell we're on about.

Cain asks this and Req addresses it in the original thread; http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=19988.0

The criteria I'm using is cultural impact of PDers, books that qualify as among the best representations of the genre or idea ( Mysterious stranger), or just books I think everyone here would agree on if they read them.

Others of course are free to use their own criteria,

So, I'm happy to consider Promethea and Mockingbird as 'on the list'.

But there's still 14 books to go.

Considering we began with 70 to be removed, not bad.

I've been confusing people with different lists; from here consider the OP the up to date list.

There's an issue with a number of books there that only one or two people have read.

Killing Aurora and Marabou Stork Nightmares are my selections that probably fit that description, and I stand by them. Buth there's others, Historical Illumanatis etc that I'm not sure really fit, but can't actually comment on.

[Placid Dingo]

Also, there's heaps of books that have done an off, on, off, on.

So feel free to defend books you want kept. I have done that, but will certainly surrender books i like if there's a broader consencus (i try to keep anything that's 50/50 or higher)

[LMNO]

If I had that list, and someone told me to choose the books that helped shape or reflected my current understanding of Discordia, I would choose:

The Constitution Of the United States
1. The Tao Teh Ching
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible. Significance is obvious, but i note that it gets frustrating to read at points.
5. Flatland - Edward A Abbot. {Presently ressurected}
6. Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
16. The Master and Margarita - Bulgakov
17. A Clockwork Orange (uncut UK edition) - Anthony Burgess
18. The Myth of Sisyphus
20. Alice In Wonderland/Alice through the Looking glass
21. Don Quixote - Cervantes
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
26. On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life - Charles Darwin
30. Breaking the Spell - Daniel Dennett
31. Culture Jamming: Hacking, Slashing and Sniping in the Empire of Signs - Mark Dery
33. Ubik - Phillip K Dick.
34. Notes From the Underground - Dostoevsky
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
38. Surely you're joking Mr. Feynmann - Richard Feynman
39. The Golden Bough-  Sir James Frazer
40. American Gods - Neil Gaiman
45. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
46. The 48 Laws of Power- Robert Greene.
49. The Secret Teachings of all Ages Manly.P.Hall
50. American Fascism - Christ Hedges
51. Catch 22 - Joseph Heller
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
56. Steal This Book - Abbie Hoffman
57. Goedel, Escher, Bach - Douglass Hofstadter
58. The Wise Book of Baloney - Baron Von Hoopla {I'm going to be the asshole here having not read it, and ask if this is here through nepotism}
69. Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
63. The Trial - Kafka
66To Kill A Mockingbird - Harper Lee
69. The Prince - Nicolo Machiavelli
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
75. Beyond Good and Evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
79. Animal Farm - George Orwell
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
82. Rights of Man - Thomas Payne.
86. Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
88. Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
91. No Exit - Sarte
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
97. The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
98. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - Tom Stoppard
99. A Modest Proposal - Johnathan Swift
100. Fooled by Randomness/Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb {I note with some dismay that these are two different books yah?}
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
106. Candide - Voltaire.
108. Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson



Note that some books on the list are included as negative examples; i.e. "know your enemy".

[hooplala]

Marabou Stork Nightmares is a fantastic book that everyone should read, its a shame that it was overshadowed by Trainspotting.  

I've only read one of the Historical Illuminatus books (The Widow's Son), but it was amazing.  Nothing like Illuminatus, although some names will be familiar to those who have read it.

[hooplala]

Also, I am reading Atlas Shrugged right now. 

I will say that it is highly entertaining, if very frustrating. 

Her villains are hilarious, if only because it really lets you see how deluded she was about the people she didn't like.  She seems incapable of believing that people she didn't like do things because they really believe they are right... no, those who she despises are doing what they do because they want to bring man to his knees.  At first it drove me mad, now it's just funny.

Also, she uses variations of the word "astonish" a lot.  Like, A LOT.

But, I would highly recommend anyone to read her work, even (and especially) if you disagree with her.

[LMNO]

Marabou Stork Nightmares is a fantastic book that everyone should read, its a shame that it was overshadowed by Trainspotting. 

I've only read one of the Historical Illuminatus books (The Widow's Son), but it was amazing.  Nothing like Illuminatus, although some names will be familiar to those who have read it.

Earth Will Shake was good, and Widow's Son was the best.  Nature's God was dreck, and for me disqualifies the trilogy from the list.

Also, I am reading Atlas Shrugged right now. 

I will say that it is highly entertaining, if very frustrating. 

But, I would highly recommend anyone to read her work, even (and especially) if you disagree with her.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was talking about with "negative examples".

[Placid Dingo]

EPIC agreement Hoopla!!

I LOATHED Trainspotting, and everything else of Welsh I've read, so it's ridiculous how good MSN is.

Also reading Atlas Shrugged. She actually makes come coherent points in part two, and from what i've seen of pt3 but there's a lot of 'Don't you see! It's for the public good! I want to take all our money and give it to the homeless! How dare you disagree! How dare you use reason! There is no such thing as reason these days!' gobbedigook.

Actually, i remember as a kid thinking of Captain Planets villain and wondering if there was an equivalent kind of 'Captain Pollution' show for Capilalist vilains to watch, where the Planeteer types were the two-dimentional vilains. Which is Rand in a nutshell.

[Placid Dingo]

Books LMNO proposed keeping that have already been struck off;

The Constitution Of the United States
The Koran (Translation of;)
The Bible.
Farenheight 451 - Ray Bradbury.
If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans - Ann Coulter
Foucalt's Pendulum - Umberto Eco
American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
American Gods - Neil Gaiman
Steppenwolf - Herman Hesse
Principia Discordia - Mal2 and Omarr Ravenhurst Oh how we love to kill our idols.
V for Vendetta - Alan Moore
Common Sense - Thomas Payne
Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail- HST
The Art of War - Sun Tzu
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, R. A. Wilson

Anyone want to jump in and defend?