We're All Hipsters.

[AFK]

I'm as square as they come. 

And I'm okay with that. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And it has nothing to do with stupid clothing or bad taste in music. I find it absolutely unforgivable and repugnant that there's a subculture based around the idea that being genuine is undesirable.

Bullshit. That's some made-up shit right there. Hipsters spend 99% of their time proclaiming how "authentic" they are. How they were into that band before they were cool, etc.

Right?

Hipster is a completely meaningless term. It doesn't mean fuck-all. And yeah, if you walk into any bar in Portland, someone's going to look at you and decide you're a hipster. There's even a hipster category pre-cut-out for you, and all they have to do is glance at you, decide you fit in it, and dismiss you, alll while you're doing the same to them.

I'm REALLY trying to let this go.

but..

"Authentic" and "Genuine" are NOT the same thing. Especially when said authenticity is just a pose meant to gain "cred points" in the scene. And if you REALLY think that EVERYONE can be shoehorned into some category of hipster, you're either wilfully devaluing the entire meaning of the term or you really need to broaden your social horizons.

Believe me, even in Portland there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not in any way, shape, or form anything even remotely resembling a hipster.

I'm not trying to. But people will, and do. And who's to judge who is using "authenticity" to score "cred points"? Are you the arbiter?

[East Coast Hustle]

If you make it a point to point out how "authentic" you are, you're probably full of shit. real authenticity doesn't feel the need to trumpet itself.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yeah, but again, who decides what's "trumpeting" and what's just saying as part of the conversation? Somebody rubs you the wrong way, you might say they're "trumpeting" rather than "just saying". So maybe that makes them an asshole. I just think "hipster" is a stupid, meaningless, burned-out term used by (usually young, hip) people to say, essentially "that person is not my kind and therefore it's cool to hate them".

I mean, if your schtick is going to be to hate hipsters, go over the top and be funny. Don't just be another hipster-hating hipster.

[East Coast Hustle]

It's not a schtick. I really actually hate them.

And honestly, in what world is saying something like "oh, I was into them before they got popular" part of the normal flow of any conversation?

Hipster world, that's what world. That's not something people "just say".

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's not a schtick. I really actually hate them.

And honestly, in what world is saying something like "oh, I was into them before they got popular" part of the normal flow of any conversation?

Hipster world, that's what world. That's not something people "just say".

I haven't heard anyone say that in ten years. It's some holdover stereotype. It's something some young kid might say, but I don't hang out with young kids other than my own.

Seriously, you hate "them". A whole category of people with a nebulous and shifting definition that most people disagree on, and those few sources that do agree define them as... well, as me and you and Net and LMNO and almost every other poster on the board.

So who, exactly, is this group of people that you hate indiscriminately? It kind of sounds to me as if you call everyone you hate "hipsters" and make exceptions for the ones you like.

[East Coast Hustle]

I'm really done with this conversation. I'm pretty sure that you're being intentionally obtuse as a means to get my goat.

[hooplala]

I get what Nigel is saying. 

I myself overhear people referring to me as a hipster at least once a month, I guess because I sometimes where horned-rim glasses frames.  I don't personally wear them because I am trying to impress anyone, or because they are in fashion, I wear them because I have ALWAYS liked horn-rim glasses since I can remember... I was always looking for a pair of frames I liked and finally found exactly what I was looking for.  If that makes me a hipster in some people's eyes, fine. 

She seems to me to be saying that its possible that some of the people you classify as hipsters might not consider themselves that, and that some people you like might be classified as hipsters by other people... including yourself.

Just because you think you aren't isn't enough these days to be immune to the accusation.

[Jenne]

...I see both sides. 

And I apologize for starting the poop fling in the first place.  I'm the one that picked up what I disagreed with about "what is or isn't a hipster/laughing person"...sorry.

Phox, I do like your end message, if it's what Nigel described it as.

But like ECH, I'm more than meh about the h-words--they're not a buncha people I think I'd be associated with, but if it's as Nigel described, then yeah, fuckit. 

Cain's response was appropo as well.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm going on the Potter Stewart argument.

"I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it."

When someone is doing something to generate an appearance, rather than because they like it, they're being a pink.  Call it hipster, emo, or the guy with the skull on his t-shirt, whatever, it's still pink.  

For example, Filthy Assistant has the Harley Davidson logo on everything he fucking owns...Every stitch of clothing, his lunch bucket, everything, just in case you didn't know he rides a fucking Harley.  He's a fucking pinkboy.  Hoops wears horn-rimmed glasses because he likes it, and ECH has that damned tutu, but it makes him feel good.  They're in a state of Slack™.

And anyone who wants to say that "we're ALL hipsters" can do so all they like.  It doesn't insult me, it's merely inaccurate, because I - for one - am not defined by what other people think my motivations are for dressing the way I dress, shaving my head, etc.

Or Kill Me.

PS:  I was wearing jeans and a black t-shirt WAY before Richter made it cool.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My paidika

wut

wut

[East Coast Hustle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika

umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika

umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.

[Don Coyote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika

umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.

OHFUK

Dude, almost wasted beer.


PHOX YOU GOT SOME FUCKING SPLAINING TO DO!!!!!!

[East Coast Hustle]

In spite of the fact that I've never really liked Phox much, she definitely contributes here so I'm more than willing to let her explain before I jump down her throat, and I hope everyone else does the same. For all we know she could be misusing the word, or there could be a meaning/context which we're unaware of.