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What if Emperor Norton had really been a reigning monarch?

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, December 21, 2010, 07:04:14 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

Something very close actually happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II

I can't find a single thing wrong with this guy.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

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- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

hooplala

I don't have time to read that at the moment ("Vagina waits for no man!" - Carrie Nation) - but it looks EPIC.  Can't believe I've never heard of this guy!  I have my evening reading all set up now, thanks Roger.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2010, 07:12:23 PM
I don't have time to read that at the moment ("Vagina waits for no man!" - Carrie Nation) - but it looks EPIC.  Can't believe I've never heard of this guy!  I have my evening reading all set up now, thanks Roger.

No problem.

There's nothing like an honest man that doesn't want to rule, as far as government goes.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

PopeTom

Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
-PopeTom

I am the result of 13.75 ± 0.13 billion years of random chance. Now that I exist I see no reason to start planning and organizing everything in my life.

Random dumb luck got me here, random dumb luck will get me to where I'm going.

Hail Eris!

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He got stuck with the job at age 5.  He wanted to be a scientist.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.


Juana

I LIKE him! Wish there were more people like him over all, really.
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Jasper

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He got stuck with the job at age 5.  He wanted to be a scientist.

That might be a good strategy;  Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He got stuck with the job at age 5.  He wanted to be a scientist.

That might be a good strategy;  Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.

Might wind up with someone like me.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Kurt Christ

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.
He got stuck with the job at age 5.  He wanted to be a scientist.

That might be a good strategy;  Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
Formerly known as the Space Pope (then I was excommunicated), Father Kurt Christ (I was deemed unfit to raise children, spiritual or otherwise), and Vartox (the speedo was starting to chafe)

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.

Claudius.  Nero killed Britanicus for the job.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Jasper

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He got stuck with the job at age 5.  He wanted to be a scientist.

That might be a good strategy;  Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.

Might wind up with someone like me.

:lulz:  I am okay with this.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He got stuck with the job at age 5.  He wanted to be a scientist.

That might be a good strategy;  Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.

Might wind up with someone like me.

:lulz:  I am okay with this.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, AMERICA?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Kurt Christ

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.

Claudius.  Nero killed Britanicus for the job.
Nero killed him after he already had the job, though. I thought he was mostly trust into the position of emperor because his mother thought she could manipulate him. Claudius was not a child at his ascension, and succeeded his own nephew (over 20 years his junior) to the throne.
Formerly known as the Space Pope (then I was excommunicated), Father Kurt Christ (I was deemed unfit to raise children, spiritual or otherwise), and Vartox (the speedo was starting to chafe)

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.

Claudius.  Nero killed Britanicus for the job.
Nero killed him after he already had the job, though. I thought he was mostly trust into the position of emperor because his mother thought she could manipulate him. Claudius was not a child at his ascension, and succeeded his own nephew (over 20 years his junior) to the throne.

Um, wat?  What does that have to do with his willingness to be emperor?

Also, Nero was groomed for the throne by Claudius, and murdered Britanicus to maintain his grip on the throne.  I fail to see how this means "he didn't want the job".
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.