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Started by Jasper, December 29, 2010, 03:26:48 AM

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Epimetheus

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

But you didn't say seriously damaged. You said getting therapy to live as healthy a life as possible.
Even seriously damaged, though, it's bizarre that you can't decide whether you'd want her alive or not. And it's kinda sick.
My two cents.
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BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

But you didn't say seriously damaged. You said getting therapy to live as healthy a life as possible.
Even seriously damaged, though, it's bizarre that you can't decide whether you'd want her alive or not. And it's kinda sick.
My two cents.

I dunno if you have children or not.  But given the option between losing my child, having her die in an awful way. Or having her live, damaged from an awful experience, having to see that in her eyes every day for the rest of my life (presumably she lievs longer than me, unless the trauma drives her to suicide) knowing I could not protect her from it, and knowing even that she sees some mirror of whoever did this to her in me, simply because we are both male.  No, I really don't know which one would be worse.
They'd really both be incredibly horribly awful.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Epimetheus

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

But you didn't say seriously damaged. You said getting therapy to live as healthy a life as possible.
Even seriously damaged, though, it's bizarre that you can't decide whether you'd want her alive or not. And it's kinda sick.
My two cents.

I dunno if you have children or not.  But given the option between losing my child, having her die in an awful way. Or having her live, damaged from an awful experience, having to see that in her eyes every day for the rest of my life (presumably she lievs longer than me, unless the trauma drives her to suicide) knowing I could not protect her from it, and knowing even that she sees some mirror of whoever did this to her in me, simply because we are both male.  No, I really don't know which one would be worse.
They'd really both be incredibly horribly awful.

No, I don't have kids. But I have people I love in my life, and having them gone forever would be much worse than them going through injury/trauma but still alive for the rest of their natural life.
I guess it's a personal thing.
But being unsure whether you'd rather have your daughter dead or alive (circumstances of aliveness aside), combined with a fetish for sexual killing, makes for a person that makes me uneasy.
I don't think you're evil, BH. I'm just uneasy about you.
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BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Epimetheus on December 30, 2010, 12:16:22 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

But you didn't say seriously damaged. You said getting therapy to live as healthy a life as possible.
Even seriously damaged, though, it's bizarre that you can't decide whether you'd want her alive or not. And it's kinda sick.
My two cents.

I dunno if you have children or not.  But given the option between losing my child, having her die in an awful way. Or having her live, damaged from an awful experience, having to see that in her eyes every day for the rest of my life (presumably she lievs longer than me, unless the trauma drives her to suicide) knowing I could not protect her from it, and knowing even that she sees some mirror of whoever did this to her in me, simply because we are both male.  No, I really don't know which one would be worse.
They'd really both be incredibly horribly awful.

No, I don't have kids. But I have people I love in my life, and having them gone forever would be much worse than them going through injury/trauma but still alive for the rest of their natural life.
I guess it's a personal thing.
But being unsure whether you'd rather have your daughter dead or alive (circumstances of aliveness aside), combined with a fetish for sexual killing, makes for a person that makes me uneasy.
I don't think you're evil, BH. I'm just uneasy about you.

I think it is a personal thing.  I know there are a fair amount of circumstances where I would rather not be alive and I tend to extend those circumstances to those I love and care about.  It doesn't mean I'd try to stop any of them from living in those circumstances, but I wouldn't be angry with them if they chose to terminate their own lives.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Adios

My wife and I both have living wills. Keep your fucking machines and money grubbing hands away from my peaceful death.

Phox

#140
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
My wife and I both have living wills. Keep your fucking machines and money grubbing hands away from my peaceful death.

I will add, that you can keep your invasive surgeries and your fucking pills.

Phox,
Would rather die of a curable disease than a "cure"

ETA: that's shouldn't be taken as a refusal of all medical treatment, but I don't even take headache medicine most of the time.

Adios

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 30, 2010, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
My wife and I both have living wills. Keep your fucking machines and money grubbing hands away from my peaceful death.

I will add, that you can keep your invasive surgeries and your fucking pills.

Phox,
Would rather die of a curable disease than a "cure"

ETA: that's shouldn't be taken as a refusal of all medical treatment, but I don't even take headache medicine most of the time.

I have to take 9 pills a day to stay on my feet.

Phox

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 30, 2010, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
My wife and I both have living wills. Keep your fucking machines and money grubbing hands away from my peaceful death.

I will add, that you can keep your invasive surgeries and your fucking pills.

Phox,
Would rather die of a curable disease than a "cure"

ETA: that's shouldn't be taken as a refusal of all medical treatment, but I don't even take headache medicine most of the time.

I have to take 9 pills a day to stay on my feet.

Personally, I'd rather be off my feet.  When my body needs that much support, I'll say it's time to call it quits. I'm officially Do Not Resuscitate, too. Though, if you don't mind that sort of thing, that's your decision.  :)

Adios

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 30, 2010, 12:58:14 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 30, 2010, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
My wife and I both have living wills. Keep your fucking machines and money grubbing hands away from my peaceful death.

I will add, that you can keep your invasive surgeries and your fucking pills.

Phox,
Would rather die of a curable disease than a "cure"

ETA: that's shouldn't be taken as a refusal of all medical treatment, but I don't even take headache medicine most of the time.

I have to take 9 pills a day to stay on my feet.

Personally, I'd rather be off my feet.  When my body needs that much support, I'll say it's time to call it quits. I'm officially Do Not Resuscitate, too. Though, if you don't mind that sort of thing, that's your decision.  :)

It would be a horribly painful wait for peace, besides, there is a lot of living yet to do.

Phox

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 30, 2010, 12:58:14 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 30, 2010, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 30, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
My wife and I both have living wills. Keep your fucking machines and money grubbing hands away from my peaceful death.

I will add, that you can keep your invasive surgeries and your fucking pills.

Phox,
Would rather die of a curable disease than a "cure"

ETA: that's shouldn't be taken as a refusal of all medical treatment, but I don't even take headache medicine most of the time.

I have to take 9 pills a day to stay on my feet.

Personally, I'd rather be off my feet.  When my body needs that much support, I'll say it's time to call it quits. I'm officially Do Not Resuscitate, too. Though, if you don't mind that sort of thing, that's your decision.  :)

It would be a horribly painful wait for peace, besides, there is a lot of living yet to do.

Pain doesn't much bother me. But again, if you don't mind the pills, good on ya.  :wink:

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 29, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
What would you prefer; that your daughter was raped and lived, or that she was murdered? Picture her dead in a ravine somewhere, and let me know if you still think people who were molested would be better off dead.



I don't know.  I certainly really really don't want either to happen.  I know that if she were raped and lived I'd do everything I could to get her proper therapy and whatnot so that she could live as healthy a life as possible.  I can't say that's better though.

I suppose I don't know enough about child sexual abuse to really judge, it's just a big scary bogeyman in my mind and I may be blowing it up to bigger proportions than it actually deserves.


I've been holding back from this, but the bolded parts cross the line. You don't know if you'd rather have your daughter alive or dead.
And you can't say it's better to live as healthy a life as possible, than to die.
This is...just...




Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

Nigel's got me pretty well convinced that the consequences are not as dire as I have blown them up to be in my mind though, so I am pretty sure I'd prefer she were alive.

"Seriously damaged". Oh my god. Just think about that for a minute. I can't even. What.

It's not like rapists cut off your arms and legs, or put out your eyes. They stick their dick in places you don't want them to. They put a piece of their meat in your meat, or maybe they fondle you while they jack off. The worst part isn't the rape or molestation; it's the shame most victims feel afterwards, because of attitudes like yours. YOU are the person who would make your daughter feel better off dead, not her rapist. You and everyone who thinks, like you, that people who have been sexually abused are somehow more "damaged" than people who have been through other kinds of trauma.

I mean, it's traumatic, but it's not as bad as, say, cancer. Would cancer survivors be better off dead? I would rather be raped than get cancer. Or lose my sight. Or any number of things that people live through all the time that are infinitely worse than being raped or molested.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Not to mention the sheer, unbelievable selfishness of thinking she might be better off dead so YOU wouldn't have to look in her eyes and see her pain.

Ohmyfuckinghell. You are a real piece of work.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Nigel on December 30, 2010, 01:28:30 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 29, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
What would you prefer; that your daughter was raped and lived, or that she was murdered? Picture her dead in a ravine somewhere, and let me know if you still think people who were molested would be better off dead.



I don't know.  I certainly really really don't want either to happen.  I know that if she were raped and lived I'd do everything I could to get her proper therapy and whatnot so that she could live as healthy a life as possible.  I can't say that's better though.

I suppose I don't know enough about child sexual abuse to really judge, it's just a big scary bogeyman in my mind and I may be blowing it up to bigger proportions than it actually deserves.


I've been holding back from this, but the bolded parts cross the line. You don't know if you'd rather have your daughter alive or dead.
And you can't say it's better to live as healthy a life as possible, than to die.
This is...just...




Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

Nigel's got me pretty well convinced that the consequences are not as dire as I have blown them up to be in my mind though, so I am pretty sure I'd prefer she were alive.

"Seriously damaged". Oh my god. Just think about that for a minute. I can't even. What.

It's not like rapists cut off your arms and legs, or put out your eyes. They stick their dick in places you don't want them to. They put a piece of their meat in your meat, or maybe they fondle you while they jack off. The worst part isn't the rape or molestation; it's the shame most victims feel afterwards, because of attitudes like yours. YOU are the person who would make your daughter feel better off dead, not her rapist. You and everyone who thinks, like you, that people who have been sexually abused are somehow more "damaged" than people who have been through other kinds of trauma.

I mean, it's traumatic, but it's not as bad as, say, cancer. Would cancer survivors be better off dead? I would rather be raped than get cancer. Or lose my sight. Or any number of things that people live through all the time that are infinitely worse than being raped or molested.



You've reassured me greatly about what has to be many father's worst fear.

Not that it's not still a scary horrible thought, but it now ranks as less scary than either her death or her having some awful disease.

Thank you.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 30, 2010, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 30, 2010, 01:28:30 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 29, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
What would you prefer; that your daughter was raped and lived, or that she was murdered? Picture her dead in a ravine somewhere, and let me know if you still think people who were molested would be better off dead.



I don't know.  I certainly really really don't want either to happen.  I know that if she were raped and lived I'd do everything I could to get her proper therapy and whatnot so that she could live as healthy a life as possible.  I can't say that's better though.

I suppose I don't know enough about child sexual abuse to really judge, it's just a big scary bogeyman in my mind and I may be blowing it up to bigger proportions than it actually deserves.


I've been holding back from this, but the bolded parts cross the line. You don't know if you'd rather have your daughter alive or dead.
And you can't say it's better to live as healthy a life as possible, than to die.
This is...just...




Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

Nigel's got me pretty well convinced that the consequences are not as dire as I have blown them up to be in my mind though, so I am pretty sure I'd prefer she were alive.

"Seriously damaged". Oh my god. Just think about that for a minute. I can't even. What.

It's not like rapists cut off your arms and legs, or put out your eyes. They stick their dick in places you don't want them to. They put a piece of their meat in your meat, or maybe they fondle you while they jack off. The worst part isn't the rape or molestation; it's the shame most victims feel afterwards, because of attitudes like yours. YOU are the person who would make your daughter feel better off dead, not her rapist. You and everyone who thinks, like you, that people who have been sexually abused are somehow more "damaged" than people who have been through other kinds of trauma.

I mean, it's traumatic, but it's not as bad as, say, cancer. Would cancer survivors be better off dead? I would rather be raped than get cancer. Or lose my sight. Or any number of things that people live through all the time that are infinitely worse than being raped or molested.



You've reassured me greatly about what has to be many father's worst fear.

Not that it's not still a scary horrible thought, but it now ranks as less scary than either her death or her having some awful disease.

Thank you.

Maybe you could pay her back by, say, leaving and never coming back.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

BabylonHoruv

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 30, 2010, 01:34:58 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 30, 2010, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 30, 2010, 01:28:30 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 29, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 29, 2010, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 29, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
What would you prefer; that your daughter was raped and lived, or that she was murdered? Picture her dead in a ravine somewhere, and let me know if you still think people who were molested would be better off dead.



I don't know.  I certainly really really don't want either to happen.  I know that if she were raped and lived I'd do everything I could to get her proper therapy and whatnot so that she could live as healthy a life as possible.  I can't say that's better though.

I suppose I don't know enough about child sexual abuse to really judge, it's just a big scary bogeyman in my mind and I may be blowing it up to bigger proportions than it actually deserves.


I've been holding back from this, but the bolded parts cross the line. You don't know if you'd rather have your daughter alive or dead.
And you can't say it's better to live as healthy a life as possible, than to die.
This is...just...




Alive and seriously damaged or dead.  No, I do not know.

Nigel's got me pretty well convinced that the consequences are not as dire as I have blown them up to be in my mind though, so I am pretty sure I'd prefer she were alive.

"Seriously damaged". Oh my god. Just think about that for a minute. I can't even. What.

It's not like rapists cut off your arms and legs, or put out your eyes. They stick their dick in places you don't want them to. They put a piece of their meat in your meat, or maybe they fondle you while they jack off. The worst part isn't the rape or molestation; it's the shame most victims feel afterwards, because of attitudes like yours. YOU are the person who would make your daughter feel better off dead, not her rapist. You and everyone who thinks, like you, that people who have been sexually abused are somehow more "damaged" than people who have been through other kinds of trauma.

I mean, it's traumatic, but it's not as bad as, say, cancer. Would cancer survivors be better off dead? I would rather be raped than get cancer. Or lose my sight. Or any number of things that people live through all the time that are infinitely worse than being raped or molested.



You've reassured me greatly about what has to be many father's worst fear.

Not that it's not still a scary horrible thought, but it now ranks as less scary than either her death or her having some awful disease.

Thank you.

Maybe you could pay her back by, say, leaving and never coming back.

If she actually didn't want to see what I write she'd just ignore it.

Also if I left now that'd be way too easy and wouldn't be anything like a satisfying victory for either of you.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl