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Started by Prince Glittersnatch III, January 07, 2011, 07:54:13 AM

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Cain

How many members does the American Atheists actually have?

I mean, it sounds important, but so does the British Council for the Restoration of the Empire and that only has one member (because I filed the paperwork for it this afternoon.  But, given time...).  And there is that Catholic crank you Yanks have, who keeps getting into the media all the time by being morally outraged over stupid shit.

And even if it is a large organization, atheists politick like everyone else.  He may just be really, really good at organizing membership rolls and chairing meetings.

hooplala

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Silverman also says "Maybe it was Thor on top of Mount Olympus?" in regards to the tide going in and out.  I really want to believe that is an intentional miss-attributed troll, but after his lack of high school physics, I somehow doubt it.

Yeah, that bothered me too. He seemed pretty uneducated.

I find, for the most part, when Bill O brings on guests, particularly ones he disagrees with, he doesn't exactly pick the brightest of the bunch.  John Stewart is a notable exception, but of course in those cases he has the luxury of doing a pre-taped show that can be edited. 

He's the head of American Atheists!!

Lack of religious beliefs does not automatically equate to rudimentary scientific knowledge.

Certainly not... but perhaps American Atheists should hire a spokesperson who actually does have a rudimentary grasp of scientific knowledge before parading them across all national networks so they don't look, y'know, as stupid as the people they are mocking.
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Suu

I'm not a fan of American Atheists as an organization. It just seems like their very argumentative and almost militant, and they go to great lengths to shove their opinion down everyone's throat. They're essentially mirroring evangelists, which is my opinion is the wrong tactic.

I'm totally down with people being atheists, and I'm especially down with anyone who makes Bill O look like a total moron on the air, but you need to be really prepared to go live with ANYTHING. Sure, it could have been the pressure of being there causing a brain fart, but COME ON.
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Cain

Speaking of brainfarts, I had a total mental blank when teaching long subtraction today, and felt like a complete idiot for five minutes.

Suu

Quote from: Cain on January 07, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
Speaking of brainfarts, I had a total mental blank when teaching long subtraction today, and felt like a complete idiot for five minutes.

Damn. What grade/age?
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hooplala

Quote from: Cain on January 07, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
How many members does the American Atheists actually have?

I mean, it sounds important, but so does the British Council for the Restoration of the Empire and that only has one member (because I filed the paperwork for it this afternoon.  But, given time...).  And there is that Catholic crank you Yanks have, who keeps getting into the media all the time by being morally outraged over stupid shit.

And even if it is a large organization, atheists politick like everyone else.  He may just be really, really good at organizing membership rolls and chairing meetings.

That Catholic guy is really funny, I guess he doesn't realize the Catholics already have a spokesperson... and that spokesperson has a funny hat and a glass bulletproof car.

I'm sure you're right Cain, the American Atheists is probably the same sort of thing, the only place I ever see Silverman is on Fox News.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Epimetheus

Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 07, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
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Quote from: Suu on January 07, 2011, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 04:16:16 PM
Silverman also says "Maybe it was Thor on top of Mount Olympus?" in regards to the tide going in and out.  I really want to believe that is an intentional miss-attributed troll, but after his lack of high school physics, I somehow doubt it.

Yeah, that bothered me too. He seemed pretty uneducated.

I find, for the most part, when Bill O brings on guests, particularly ones he disagrees with, he doesn't exactly pick the brightest of the bunch.  John Stewart is a notable exception, but of course in those cases he has the luxury of doing a pre-taped show that can be edited. 

He's the head of American Atheists!!

Lack of religious beliefs does not automatically equate to rudimentary scientific knowledge.

Point is, O'Reilly didn't pick this guy because he's stupid. He picked him because he's the leader of the organization.
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hooplala

Quote from: Suu on January 07, 2011, 06:30:41 PM
I'm not a fan of American Atheists as an organization. It just seems like their very argumentative and almost militant, and they go to great lengths to shove their opinion down everyone's throat. They're essentially mirroring evangelists, which is my opinion is the wrong tactic.

I'm totally down with people being atheists, and I'm especially down with anyone who makes Bill O look like a total moron on the air, but you need to be really prepared to go live with ANYTHING. Sure, it could have been the pressure of being there causing a brain fart, but COME ON.

Meh, the Xtians have a fucking glut of billboards all over the place and are always shoving their message down everyone's throat.  Is it the best tactic in the world to give them a dose of their own medicine?  Probably not, but it is about time that the views of the other side get presented publicly more often.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Cain

Quote from: Suu on January 07, 2011, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 07, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
Speaking of brainfarts, I had a total mental blank when teaching long subtraction today, and felt like a complete idiot for five minutes.

Damn. What grade/age?

9-10 year olds.  It wasn't too bad, I just felt really fucking stupid for a while.

Cramulus

Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
Certainly not... but perhaps American Atheists should hire a spokesperson who actually does have a rudimentary grasp of scientific knowledge before parading them across all national networks so they don't look, y'know, as stupid as the people they are mocking.

Richard Dawkins does a fair job of it. If he was capable of turning down his level of condescending douchitude he migth actually change some minds

hooplala

Quote from: Cramulus on January 07, 2011, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
Certainly not... but perhaps American Atheists should hire a spokesperson who actually does have a rudimentary grasp of scientific knowledge before parading them across all national networks so they don't look, y'know, as stupid as the people they are mocking.

Richard Dawkins does a fair job of it. If he was capable of turning down his level of condescending douchitude he migth actually change some minds

Yeah, he is very condescending.  I like him and yet I can barely stand him, if that makes sense.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: Cramulus on January 07, 2011, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
Certainly not... but perhaps American Atheists should hire a spokesperson who actually does have a rudimentary grasp of scientific knowledge before parading them across all national networks so they don't look, y'know, as stupid as the people they are mocking.

Richard Dawkins does a fair job of it. If he was capable of turning down his level of condescending douchitude he migth actually change some minds

I think that's the main problem.
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Epimetheus

Yeah, douchitude can be entertaining, but it's not very effective in changing minds.
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Nephew Twiddleton

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Plus, it's not just about beliefs, it's also about tradition. I imagine that a good chunk of theists don't feel particularly strongly about their convictions, but it helps create a sense of community/family bonding or what have you. My uncle is "Catholic" but he really couldn't care about going to Mass or anything.

ETA: What I mean is, attacking the religious belief also attacks the traditions associated with it. I find myself defending Catholicism every so often, and describing the priesthood as NAMBLA annoys the hell out of me, even though I haven't been Catholic myself in 13 years.
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Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 07, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 07, 2011, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: Suu on January 07, 2011, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 07, 2011, 04:16:16 PM
Silverman also says "Maybe it was Thor on top of Mount Olympus?" in regards to the tide going in and out.  I really want to believe that is an intentional miss-attributed troll, but after his lack of high school physics, I somehow doubt it.

Yeah, that bothered me too. He seemed pretty uneducated.

I find, for the most part, when Bill O brings on guests, particularly ones he disagrees with, he doesn't exactly pick the brightest of the bunch.  John Stewart is a notable exception, but of course in those cases he has the luxury of doing a pre-taped show that can be edited. 

He's the head of American Atheists!!

Lack of religious beliefs does not automatically equate to rudimentary scientific knowledge.

But even small children know about the moon.

EVERYBODY knows about the moon.
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