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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, January 12, 2011, 12:52:02 AM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C115.txt

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    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or
   teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
   overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or
   the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession
   thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by
   force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any
   such government; or
     Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any
   such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates,
   sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed
   matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,
   desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any
   government in the United States by force or violence
, or attempts
   to do so; or
     Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society,
   group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the
   overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or
   violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any
   such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes
   thereof -
     Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
   twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by
   the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
   years next following his conviction.
     If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in
   this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
   not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for
   employment by the United States or any department or agency
   thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
     As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize",
   with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include
   the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the
   regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units
   of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Phox


the last yatto

Look, asshole:  Your 'incomprehensible' act, your word-salad, your pinealism...It BORES ME.  I've been incomprehensible for so long, I TEACH IT TO MBA CANDIDATES.  So if you simply MUST talk about your pineal gland or happy children dancing in the wildflowers, go talk to Roger, because he digs that kind of shit

The Johnny


What fair citizen would conspire against its government, with such virtuous laws?
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I'm not sure, but I THINK the general idea is to prevent outbreaks of political violence, and political decisions that are decided based on threat of force, and to enable the poor and weak to have at least some kind of representation instead of being bullied by those wealthy enough to hire a militia.

MAYBE I'M JUST NAIVE.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Annnnd http://www.theskanner.com/article/2011/01/11/Legal-Precedents-for-Political-Incitement-Set-in-Portland

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Gabrielle Giffords, Sarah Palin, Mulugeta Seraw, Tom Metzger, Dr. George Tiller, "The Nuremberg Files" -- it is a strange coincidence that two of the biggest civil cases in America against virulent conservative rhetoric – incidents that involved politically-motivated murders – were tried in Portland courtrooms.

In 2002, anti-choice activists who had created a "wanted" poster-style website listing abortion providers with gun sights over their faces were found liable for damages because the site constituted "a true threat," and not protected First Amendment speech.

And in 1988, White supremacist leader Tom Metzger and his son, John, were found guilty of "organizing" and inciting the fatal skinhead beating of Portland resident Mulugeta Seraw.

Gee, looks like legal precedent has been set.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Requia ☣

That law seems to go way way beyond that.  They're talking about 20 years for quoting Jefferson.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

Phox

Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2011, 02:52:43 AM
That law seems to go way way beyond that.  They're talking about 20 years for quoting Jefferson.

Not quite.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2011, 02:52:43 AM
That law seems to go way way beyond that.  They're talking about 20 years for quoting Jefferson.

Um, no.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Requia ☣

Reread the part you bolded.  While quoting him wouldn't quite do it, quoting him on TV or republishing the things he wrote would (I'm specifically thinking of the bits where he approved of the Whiskey rebellion).
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

Phox

Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2011, 03:49:51 AM
Reread the part you bolded.  While quoting him wouldn't quite do it, quoting him on TV or republishing the things he wrote would (I'm specifically thinking of the bits where he approved of the Whiskey rebellion).

Still no.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 12, 2011, 03:49:51 AM
Reread the part you bolded.  While quoting him wouldn't quite do it, quoting him on TV or republishing the things he wrote would (I'm specifically thinking of the bits where he approved of the Whiskey rebellion).

Yeah. Just no. LOL.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

You should check out  the definition of the word "intent", that might help you out a bit.

And, if your next question is "who determines intent?", in the case that a person is tried under this law, the determination of intent would be made in a court of law, just as it is in other criminal cases.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Requia ☣

Quote from: Nigel on January 12, 2011, 03:56:53 AM
You should check out  the definition of the word "intent", that might help you out a bit.

And, if your next question is "who determines intent?", in the case that a person is tried under this law, the determination of intent would be made in a court of law, just as it is in other criminal cases.

Intent is whatever the prosecutor says intent is, its the same with every other 'intent' law.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.