Treason.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You should check out  the definition of the word "intent", that might help you out a bit.

And, if your next question is "who determines intent?", in the case that a person is tried under this law, the determination of intent would be made in a court of law, just as it is in other criminal cases.

Intent is whatever the prosecutor says intent is, its the same with every other 'intent' law.

WOW.

Again, just no. By orders of magnitude this time.

[BadBeast]

You should check out  the definition of the word "intent", that might help you out a bit.

And, if your next question is "who determines intent?", in the case that a person is tried under this law, the determination of intent would be made in a court of law, just as it is in other criminal cases.

Intent is whatever the prosecutor says intent is, its the same with every other 'intent' law.

WOW.

Again, just no. By orders of magnitude this time.

Here they don't even have to specify what intent was being intended. The mere addition of the words "with intent" hung on the end of any assault charge at all, generally means the difference between a custodial sentence and a community based sentence.
And to Loiter, in itself is not an offence at all. But if they sling "with intent" on the end, "Loitering with intent" is an arrestible offence. They never have to specify "intent" because you're never going to get charged with it. But it's open day on just about anybody they really want to screw over. Which worries me a lot. Not for myself, but generally. I remember how rough that can get. And why I shouldn't ever be tempted to IRL Troll the Police again.

[Requia ☣]

Prosecutors have successfully federal twisted hacking laws to make giving a fake name on myspace a criminal charge (even got a conviction).  You must *always* assume the worst about any proposed law.

[BadBeast]

Prosecutors have successfully federal twisted hacking laws to make giving a fake name on myspace a criminal charge (even got a conviction).  You must *always* assume the worst about any proposed law.

That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard .............all day! What about non-US Name-cheaters? Extradition?

[The Johnny]

Well, at least we'll all get to meet each other at Guantomono 

[Phox]

Prosecutors have successfully federal twisted hacking laws to make giving a fake name on myspace a criminal charge (even got a conviction).  You must *always* assume the worst about any proposed law.

Actually, if the case I'm thinking of is the same one, the woman convicted was engaged in cyberbullying that resulted in the death of a teenage girl, right? IIRC, the case was made that the woman was perpetrating a hoax, which is NOT the same as using a pseudonym to make an account.

[BadBeast]

Well, at least we'll all get to meet each other at Guantomono 

Not if they suspect we are part of the same group. They'll just solitary everyone else for 6 months, and start water boarding you for info.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I just fucking



Intent is the fucking crux of this law, which has existed since nineteen fucking forty. The prosecutor has to PROVE INTENT TO COMMIT TREASON. Just like "intent" is crucial for a murder conviction. You CANNOT be convicted of inciting violence unless you can be proven in a court of law to have intended to incite violence. Otherwise, it's just an unfortunate coincidence, and not a crime.

[Phox]

I just fucking



Intent is the fucking crux of this law, which has existed since nineteen fucking forty. The prosecutor has to PROVE INTENT TO COMMIT TREASON. Just like "intent" is crucial for a murder conviction. You CANNOT be convicted of inciting violence unless you can be proven in a court of law to have intended to incite violence. Otherwise, it's just an unfortunate coincidence, and not a crime.

But Nigel! The mean prosecutors badger the witnesses! They twist the federal of the judges! They will manipulate you into signing a full confession!

Seriously though, Requia, how many treason cases do you fucking see? This law isn't new. It's been on the books for a long fucking time.

[Bruno]

I thought overthrowing the government was one of them inalienable rights what baby Jesus done give us. 

[Disco Pickle]

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government

I haven't seen any information from the tea party advocating the overthrow or destruction of the US government.

And if that position is out there, It's likely on the fringe of the fringe.  And really, I'd be interested to see what that nutjobbery's idea is to replace it with, just so I can laugh good and hard about it.

[Cain]

I was into treason before it became big and popular.

[Adios]

Once the government stops following the constitution, then at that point it is no longer treason to try to overthrow the government. At that exact moment it becomes patriotic.

[East Coast Hustle]

Try telling that to the prosecutor.

[Adios]

Try telling that to the prosecutor.

This I understand. That doesn't alter the fact that at that point rebellion is a civic duty.