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Hey, Cain, what do you make of this?

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, January 24, 2011, 04:59:27 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

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The explosion that killed at least 31 people Monday at Moscow's busiest airport appears to be an act of terrorism, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said on state TV.

Medvedev ordered additional security at Moscow's other airports and transportation hubs, and Moscow police went on high alert in case of additional bombs.

The explosion occurred about 4:30 p.m. at the entrance of the international arrivals section of Domodedovo Airport, Itar-Tass said, citing a spokeswoman for the Russian Investigative Committee, Tatyana Morozova.

State TV aired video of the smoke-filled terminal, including what appeared to be bodies and luggage on the ground.
Where does airport blast leave security?
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Russian state TV, citing Russian authorities, said the explosion was the act of a suicide bomber who stuffed a homemade bomb with small metal objects to make it more deadly, then activated it in a crowded area where many people were preparing for their flights. CNN could not independently verify those claims.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/01/24/russia.airport.explosion/index.html?hpt=T1

The Good Reverend Roger

I called that shit.

Blow up the line waiting to go through security.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Adios


Cain

Yeah, terrorism experts have warned about that for ages, but no-one listens to those guys because the script-writers come up with bigger budget scenarios.

OK.  Looking at it, Domodedovo is the largest airport in Russia, in terms of passengers and cargo.  So, aside from the loss of life and symbolic aspects of the bombing ("so many people use Domodedovo, anyone can be hurt") there is almost certainly an economic angle to this as well.  The post-bombing security measures, such as diversion of flights and increased security will no doubt have an hefty price tag associated with them.

At a guess, I would say this is due to violence emanating out of Ingueshetia-Chechnya-Dagestan, most likely the Shariat Jamaat.  They attacked the Moscow Metro last year, and seem to be the designated successors to the previous Chechen rebel groups that the FSB wiped out between 1999-2006.  It is early days though.  The FSB themselves were heavily implicated in terrorist attacks in Moscow before, the infamous 1999 apartment bombings, and they may be angling for more funding and a heavier presence in the North Caucasus region.  At the moment, there is no evidence to suggest this, I merely mention it as a possibility given the history of Russian involvement in false-flag terrorism.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2011, 06:03:55 PM
At a guess, I would say this is due to violence emanating out of Ingueshetia-Chechnya-Dagestan, most likely the Shariat Jamaat.  They attacked the Moscow Metro last year, and seem to be the designated successors to the previous Chechen rebel groups that the FSB wiped out between 1999-2006.  It is early days though.  The FSB themselves were heavily implicated in terrorist attacks in Moscow before, the infamous 1999 apartment bombings, and they may be angling for more funding and a heavier presence in the North Caucasus region.  At the moment, there is no evidence to suggest this, I merely mention it as a possibility given the history of Russian involvement in false-flag terrorism.

I think it may be the latter.

"Whatever works."
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

Using a suicide bombing is outside of their MO, though.  They have shown a definite preference for remote detonated bombs.  Which isn't to say they didn't slip a device in some poor sucker's suitcase or whatever, but if so they've never done it before, and there are ways that will be indicated in any crime scene report, even if the average lay person or reporter would miss it.

Jenne

Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2011, 06:03:55 PM
Yeah, terrorism experts have warned about that for ages, but no-one listens to those guys because the script-writers come up with bigger budget scenarios.

OK.  Looking at it, Domodedovo is the largest airport in Russia, in terms of passengers and cargo.  So, aside from the loss of life and symbolic aspects of the bombing ("so many people use Domodedovo, anyone can be hurt") there is almost certainly an economic angle to this as well.  The post-bombing security measures, such as diversion of flights and increased security will no doubt have an hefty price tag associated with them.

At a guess, I would say this is due to violence emanating out of Ingueshetia-Chechnya-Dagestan, most likely the Shariat Jamaat.  They attacked the Moscow Metro last year, and seem to be the designated successors to the previous Chechen rebel groups that the FSB wiped out between 1999-2006.  It is early days though.  The FSB themselves were heavily implicated in terrorist attacks in Moscow before, the infamous 1999 apartment bombings, and they may be angling for more funding and a heavier presence in the North Caucasus region.  At the moment, there is no evidence to suggest this, I merely mention it as a possibility given the history of Russian involvement in false-flag terrorism.

What I'm wondering is...where and how does this change the landscape of airport logistics and air travel, in general and internationally?  This scenario--though ignored--has been "on the radar" for travel security departments for decades now.  But what could possibly be done about it? As far as I can tell, the best airport security, who might see the most action, seems to be the UK going through both major international London airports and Israel.

I dislike Israel's methodology--profiling--though it seems to work, simply by virtue of the fact that it further segregates a population that's already under profiling seige, which seems to incite the same resentful behaviors.  Creating more possible new terrorist recruits, etc.  Speak Arabic or with an accent that sounds like you do?  You must be watched more closely than your Israelie companion.

OTOH, the deplorably *lax* security of the airports of the likes of Italy are easy targets for this kind of sabotage.  I just don't know what the answer is, other than the politics that drive this sort of thing to happen.

Cainad (dec.)

Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
I called that shit.

Blow up the line waiting to go through security.

I remember.

Huh, I don't recall the Good Reverend making that prophecy specifically, but I believe it. I have the thought pretty much every single time I'm in an airport: "Which of these lines looks most dense with people... probably a suicide bomber heading for that line right now."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cainad on January 24, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
I called that shit.

Blow up the line waiting to go through security.

I remember.

Huh, I don't recall the Good Reverend making that prophecy specifically, but I believe it. I have the thought pretty much every single time I'm in an airport: "Which of these lines looks most dense with people... probably a suicide bomber heading for that line right now."

I did.  I travel a lot, so I'm always wondering why they haven't done that.

I felt that even though it wasn't as flashy as a plunging airliner, it was effective enough to eventually be done.  I said it in one of the TSA-Gropefest threads.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cainad (dec.)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 24, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
I called that shit.

Blow up the line waiting to go through security.

I remember.

Huh, I don't recall the Good Reverend making that prophecy specifically, but I believe it. I have the thought pretty much every single time I'm in an airport: "Which of these lines looks most dense with people... probably a suicide bomber heading for that line right now."

I did.  I travel a lot, so I'm always wondering why they haven't done that.

I felt that even though it wasn't as flashy as a plunging airliner, it was effective enough to eventually be done.  I said it in one of the TSA-Gropefest threads.

Agreed.

I'm making a call for the next one:

Time bombs in the checked luggage. Fewer deaths, less visibility, but completely devastating to infrastructure and business.

Adios

I only remembered him saying it because my blood ran cold for a few minutes after I read it.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cainad on January 24, 2011, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 24, 2011, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
I called that shit.

Blow up the line waiting to go through security.

I remember.

Huh, I don't recall the Good Reverend making that prophecy specifically, but I believe it. I have the thought pretty much every single time I'm in an airport: "Which of these lines looks most dense with people... probably a suicide bomber heading for that line right now."

I did.  I travel a lot, so I'm always wondering why they haven't done that.

I felt that even though it wasn't as flashy as a plunging airliner, it was effective enough to eventually be done.  I said it in one of the TSA-Gropefest threads.

Agreed.

I'm making a call for the next one:

Time bombs in the checked luggage. Fewer deaths, less visibility, but completely devastating to infrastructure and business.

Bomb in a UPS Red package, pressure switched to go off at 66 feet descending.  Hell of a mess on the runway, and any electrician could design the circuit in his sleep.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

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