World food crisis

[Luna]

hate to burst your bubble but because people who attain education breed later and fewer children, that just means the less educated and intelligent are going to out breed the ones who do.  I think they did a movie about this that I couldn't sit through more than once.

Don't remind me.  Even remembering it makes my brain hurt.

[Cain]

hate to burst your bubble but because people who attain education breed later and fewer children, that just means the less educated and intelligent are going to out breed the ones who do.

Oh, Idiocracy is now considered a documentary source, is it?

[LMNO]

 

[Luna]

hate to burst your bubble but because people who attain education breed later and fewer children, that just means the less educated and intelligent are going to out breed the ones who do.

Oh, Idiocracy is now considered a documentary source, is it?

Nah, was a moronic movie.  On purpose.

However, it was (loosely) based on the fact that a woman's education level HAS been linked to her number of children.

A women's educational level is the best predictor of how many children she will have, according to a new study from the National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The study, based on an analysis of 1994 birth certificates, found a direct relationship between years of education and birth rates, with the highest birth rates among women with the lowest educational attainment.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/97facts/edu2birt.htm

It's an old study, but I don't see anything more recent with a quick look, at work so I don't have time to properly research.

[Cain]

"in periods of rising birth rates, persons with higher intelligence tend to have fertility equal to, if not exceeding, that of the population as a whole."

Vining Drj (1982). "On the possibility of the reemergence of a dysgenic trend with respect to intelligence in American fertility differentials". Intelligence 6 (3): 241–64.

And, for those of you who haven't been paying attention, worldwide, birth rates are going down.  Maybe not fast enough to prevent total overpopulation.  Maybe not as fast as many would personally like.  But they are going down.

And whatta ya know, intelligence is a polygenic trait and the degree to which intelligence is inherited is hotly contested, with wildly varying answers given.  In fact, there is a very interesting study which suggests the lack of intelligence amongst lower social classes is far more to do with environment than genes, and given the right environmental opportunities many would have improved score results, whereas among higher social classes differences are almost entirely genetic in origin.

And that's before I even go into how flawed most testing for intelligence actually is...

[Luna]

"in periods of rising birth rates, persons with higher intelligence tend to have fertility equal to, if not exceeding, that of the population as a whole."

Vining Drj (1982). "On the possibility of the reemergence of a dysgenic trend with respect to intelligence in American fertility differentials". Intelligence 6 (3): 241–64.

And, for those of you who haven't been paying attention, worldwide, birth rates are going down.  Maybe not fast enough to prevent total overpopulation.  Maybe not as fast as many would personally like.  But they are going down.

And whatta ya know, intelligence is a polygenic trait and the degree to which intelligence is inherited is hotly contested, with wildly varying answers given.  In fact, there is a very interesting study which suggests the lack of intelligence amongst lower social classes is far more to do with environment than genes, and given the right environmental opportunities many would have improved score results, whereas among higher social classes differences are almost entirely genetic in origin.

And that's before I even go into how flawed most testing for intelligence actually is...

Granted.  And, intelligence <> education.

Some of the brightest people I know didn't finish school because it bored them brainless.

[Disco Pickle]

hate to burst your bubble but because people who attain education breed later and fewer children, that just means the less educated and intelligent are going to out breed the ones who do.

Oh, Idiocracy is now considered a documentary source, is it?

didn't say it was.  dick.

but then, I suppose fictional stories containing concepts that have echos in the real world should never be used as examples when trying to illustrate a point without being able to immediately produce case studies to back that idea up.  NEVER. EVER.

something about art imitating life or something or other.  

I did laugh, but you just seem like you're being a dick because it's [EDIT] easier funnier than asking for data.

(which I completely support)

[BabylonHoruv]

Um, regardless of a kind of retarded and childlike argument about what kind of food you like to eat, I am simply not seeing any benefit to there being more people on the planet. What's the point? Do we win a toaster if we outpopulate the chickens, rats, and cockroaches?

Is there anybody that actually wants the population to increase?
i mean i have heard of groups that want their population to increase (e.g. the quiverfull movement), but i've not heard anybody shouting that we need more people on the planet in general...

Then what the fuck is the debate about feeding all these retarded assholes?

i guess i missed something? 
i saw people arguing how to feed the people that are already here.
of course, that will just lead to an increase in population, but i didn't think that was anybody's aim.
if there were a way to feed everybody, while at the same time keeping the population flat or declining, then i think just about everybody would be on board.  except that, like Roger pointed out before, the only ways to do that would appear to be despicably evil...

GMO crops with birth control chemicals in them.

[Thurnez Isa]

Um, regardless of a kind of retarded and childlike argument about what kind of food you like to eat, I am simply not seeing any benefit to there being more people on the planet. What's the point?

Annoy TGRR?

[Golden Applesauce]

hate to burst your bubble but because people who attain education breed later and fewer children, that just means the less educated and intelligent are going to out breed the ones who do.

Oh, Idiocracy is now considered a documentary source, is it?

didn't say it was.  dick.

but then, I suppose fictional stories containing concepts that have echos in the real world should never be used as examples when trying to illustrate a point without being able to immediately produce case studies to back that idea up.  NEVER. EVER.

something about art imitating life or something or other.  

I did laugh, but you just seem like you're being a dick because it's [EDIT] easier funnier than asking for data.

(which I completely support)

Historical evidence shows that when Tokyo is in trouble, it tends to be related to civil wars, being bombed by America, global economic crises, or a massive earthquake.  On the other hand, there are a lot of movies about giant monsters coming out of bumfuck nowhere and stomping on Tokyo.

According to your argument, which of these two sources of information should we be paying attention to?

[BabylonHoruv]

hate to burst your bubble but because people who attain education breed later and fewer children, that just means the less educated and intelligent are going to out breed the ones who do.

Oh, Idiocracy is now considered a documentary source, is it?

didn't say it was.  dick.

but then, I suppose fictional stories containing concepts that have echos in the real world should never be used as examples when trying to illustrate a point without being able to immediately produce case studies to back that idea up.  NEVER. EVER.

something about art imitating life or something or other.  

I did laugh, but you just seem like you're being a dick because it's [EDIT] easier funnier than asking for data.

(which I completely support)

Historical evidence shows that when Tokyo is in trouble, it tends to be related to civil wars, being bombed by America, global economic crises, or a massive earthquake.  On the other hand, there are a lot of movies about giant monsters coming out of bumfuck nowhere and stomping on Tokyo.

According to your argument, which of these two sources of information should we be paying attention to?

Godzilla was meant partly to serve as an allegory about nuclear weapons. 

[East Coast Hustle]

Owned by BH. that's gotta hurt.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Owned by BH. that's gotta hurt.

[LMNO]

I suppose fictional stories containing concepts that have echos in the real world should never be used as examples when trying to illustrate a point without being able to immediately produce case studies to back that idea up.  NEVER. EVER.

something about art imitating life or something or other.  

I noticed that you completely missed Cain's citation that shows the concept that you believe "echos in the real world", actually doesn't. 

I also noticed you implied that Idiocracy is art.

So, you're misguided, ill-informed, and have bad taste.  Nice trifecta.

[Disco Pickle]

I suppose fictional stories containing concepts that have echos in the real world should never be used as examples when trying to illustrate a point without being able to immediately produce case studies to back that idea up.  NEVER. EVER.

something about art imitating life or something or other.  

I noticed that you completely missed Cain's citation that shows the concept that you believe "echos in the real world", actually doesn't. 

I also noticed you implied that Idiocracy is art.

So, you're misguided, ill-informed, and have bad taste.  Nice trifecta.

admittedly, most of the information I've read on the subject is at least 10 years old.  The information is always changing, and what we once thought was true gets an update with new studies, but that doesn't mean it was never true. 

I implied film is art.  What you think of a particular example of that art is subjective.

anything else you want to be a prick about?