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Prophecies Nobody Wants to Hear, part I of V

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, February 14, 2011, 05:33:40 PM

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:15:40 PM
People can't look at the population issue.   :lulz:

GO, LEMMINGS, GO!

I am looking at it. I just know the human race isn't going to do one damn thing about it.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cainad on February 14, 2011, 06:16:44 PM
There's such a massive cultural roadblock to this, too. There are many places around the world where having loads of children that live to adulthood is still considered something to aspire to. People are much more likely to cling to "traditional" ideals than to ones that make any kind of mathematical sense.

And then there's the issue that faces America now with the Baby Boomers, and Japan is feeling it even more strongly: no one wants to be the generation that gets stuck supporting a big population of elderly and retired.

There's only two real solutions, both of which are monstrous.

Either we figure out a way to mass-sterilize a huge chunk of the population, or we let things take their course.

One way is utterly reprehensible, and the other way leads to The End.

That's one reason people can't even make themselves look at this issue.  Every way you look at it, you're fucked...But in this case as in many others, not making a decision is itself a decision.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Khara on February 14, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Khara on February 04, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
The problem, as I see it, is this.  There is only so much land on this earth.  As well, only so much of it is open land that can be farmed.  This is not something that is open for negotiation, it just is.

We can only add so many hormones and other chemical boosts to the seeds we plant and the animals we raise for food.  

At some point, either a global law of population control is going to have to be put in place or they are going to have to invent those food replicator things.  As I don't see food replicators being a prime goal, people are going to have to stop popping out kids.  

We can't make more land and no matter how well you farm it, everything has a limit of production.

My comment from a different thread, but I still think the same here.  However, I will take it a step further, one child per female.  If you say per couple then you are going to have to decide how to deal with those who are married 4 or 5 times.  What then?  That is 5 different couples and 5 different kids.....

A food replicator would be the final nail in the coffin.  Overpopulation is not just an issue of food.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

What CAN be done?  Tell people to stop fucking?  Yeah, THAT's gonna work.

The problem is global, so any solution would have to be global.  If we decide America can slow down on the production of Americans, we'll have to deal with the fact that other countries will pick up the slack, and will do so just for the purpose of growing their armies bigger than the American army.  Substitute any country, here.
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Luna on February 14, 2011, 06:34:38 PM
What CAN be done?  Tell people to stop fucking?  Yeah, THAT's gonna work.

The problem is global, so any solution would have to be global.  If we decide America can slow down on the production of Americans, we'll have to deal with the fact that other countries will pick up the slack, and will do so just for the purpose of growing their armies bigger than the American army.  Substitute any country, here.

There are ways.  Problem is, they're all fucking horrible.

Question:  Is societal/species survival a goal that justifies horrible sneaky shit that would make Stalin puke?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Adios

Quote from: Luna on February 14, 2011, 06:34:38 PM
What CAN be done?  Tell people to stop fucking?  Yeah, THAT's gonna work.

The problem is global, so any solution would have to be global.  If we decide America can slow down on the production of Americans, we'll have to deal with the fact that other countries will pick up the slack, and will do so just for the purpose of growing their armies bigger than the American army.  Substitute any country, here.

Fucking isn't the problem, breeding is.

Lord Cataplanga

So on top of everything else, you'll have to deal with a prisoner's dilemma.

Suu

Famine and disease are the world's way of controlling overpopulation. Don't feed the fucking poor, don't give them shots to save their lives...let nature do it's work.

As for reproduction...that's when eugenics come in, and people get all twitchy about those things.

The Black Death in Europe was a GOOD THING. They were running out of food anyway. They also had the start of a mini ice age at the same time. The Earth knows what's up. Stay the fuck out of it's business.
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Luna

Quote from: Charley Brown on February 14, 2011, 06:36:58 PM
Quote from: Luna on February 14, 2011, 06:34:38 PM
What CAN be done?  Tell people to stop fucking?  Yeah, THAT's gonna work.

The problem is global, so any solution would have to be global.  If we decide America can slow down on the production of Americans, we'll have to deal with the fact that other countries will pick up the slack, and will do so just for the purpose of growing their armies bigger than the American army.  Substitute any country, here.

Fucking isn't the problem, breeding is.

Well, yes.  Having managed the act for years without adding to the problem, true.  However, most people are (apparently) too bloody stupid to manage the one without the other.
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on February 14, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
Famine and disease are the world's way of controlling overpopulation.

Hasn't worked so far.  Central Africa is RIDDLED with HIV/AIDS, famine, AND warfare...and their population is mushrooming.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: Khara on February 14, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Khara on February 04, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
The problem, as I see it, is this.  There is only so much land on this earth.  As well, only so much of it is open land that can be farmed.  This is not something that is open for negotiation, it just is.

We can only add so many hormones and other chemical boosts to the seeds we plant and the animals we raise for food.  

At some point, either a global law of population control is going to have to be put in place or they are going to have to invent those food replicator things.  As I don't see food replicators being a prime goal, people are going to have to stop popping out kids.  

We can't make more land and no matter how well you farm it, everything has a limit of production.

My comment from a different thread, but I still think the same here.  However, I will take it a step further, one child per female.  If you say per couple then you are going to have to decide how to deal with those who are married 4 or 5 times.  What then?  That is 5 different couples and 5 different kids.....

A food replicator would be the final nail in the coffin.  Overpopulation is not just an issue of food.

That was part of my response in a different thread about food shortages.  I agree it is not just an issue of food.  I fully believe we will have to limit the number of children sooner than later.  I also think it should be per female and once said child is born then sterilization should be automatic.  

Otherwise this planet is fucked!

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Khara on February 14, 2011, 06:41:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: Khara on February 14, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Khara on February 04, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
The problem, as I see it, is this.  There is only so much land on this earth.  As well, only so much of it is open land that can be farmed.  This is not something that is open for negotiation, it just is.

We can only add so many hormones and other chemical boosts to the seeds we plant and the animals we raise for food.  

At some point, either a global law of population control is going to have to be put in place or they are going to have to invent those food replicator things.  As I don't see food replicators being a prime goal, people are going to have to stop popping out kids.  

We can't make more land and no matter how well you farm it, everything has a limit of production.

My comment from a different thread, but I still think the same here.  However, I will take it a step further, one child per female.  If you say per couple then you are going to have to decide how to deal with those who are married 4 or 5 times.  What then?  That is 5 different couples and 5 different kids.....

A food replicator would be the final nail in the coffin.  Overpopulation is not just an issue of food.

That was part of my response in a different thread about food sortages.  I agree it is not just an issue of food.  I fully believe we will have to limit the number of children sooner than later.  I also think it should be per female and once said child is born then sterilization should be automatic.  

Otherwise this planet is fucked!

Good luck flying that one in Catholic or Muslim nations.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Suu

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on February 14, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
Famine and disease are the world's way of controlling overpopulation.

Hasn't worked so far.  Central Africa is RIDDLED with HIV/AIDS, famine, AND warfare...and their population is mushrooming.

Because we have the fucking PeaceCorps and Red Cross over there trying to fix things.

Or, you know, evolution could very well be breeding the next variation.
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Luna

Sadly, MOST faiths have, somewhere in the fine print, "thou shalt breed faster than those heretics."

Now, if you could get the leaders of every faith out there to step forward and say, "God (or whoever) says knock it the fuck off, one per woman and you're DONE," and get people to BUY it, you might be on to something.
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on February 14, 2011, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2011, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on February 14, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
Famine and disease are the world's way of controlling overpopulation.

Hasn't worked so far.  Central Africa is RIDDLED with HIV/AIDS, famine, AND warfare...and their population is mushrooming.

Because we have the fucking PeaceCorp and Red Cross over there trying to fix things.

Or, you know, evolution could very well be breeding the next variation.

Like I said, you don't fix a famine by feeding people.  You fix a famine by having the population drop to a sustainable level.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.