The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 2)

[The Wizard]

I think "We grow up" is an equally valid way of saying it. To me it implies an inclusive statement, encompassing past and future generations. In this case, I think it would work well as a rhetorical device.


That said, great piece, Semaj. I like this one much better than the last one.

Thanks! This one was harder to get out that Apathy was. For one thing, I prefer to have examples and sources for this kind of thing, but I couldn't find what I was looking for. But it seemed to work out anyway.

So, was there anything in particular about the last one you didn't like, or is it just a basic preference? I'm just always looking for ways to make this stuff better.

That's why in that post I had a question mark next to it.  But thinking about it, these new generations aren't really learning what they need to.  I don't know if it's just the one I was living with, or if it was her school, or if was any other thing, but I have a feeling that people will not be learning much anything for much longer, if only because the sense of entitlement that many Americans seem to possess is growing out of control.

It's not just the sense of entitlement, but also the know-it-all attitude. The kids I go to school with think they know the score, think they know better than anyone else. That's part of why they don't learn, they don't think they need to.

[The Wizard]

That's a good point. But that's not really the point of this essay, is it?

The essay's about the way Americans, and humans in general, tend to put more stock in what club you belong to than in what you have to say.

But hey, conversation goes where conversation goes. This direction will probably help when I do Willful Ignorance.

[Freeky]

That's why in that post I had a question mark next to it.  But thinking about it, these new generations aren't really learning what they need to.  I don't know if it's just the one I was living with, or if it was her school, or if was any other thing, but I have a feeling that people will not be learning much anything for much longer, if only because the sense of entitlement that many Americans seem to possess is growing out of control.

It's not just the sense of entitlement, but also the know-it-all attitude. The kids I go to school with think they know the score, think they know better than anyone else. That's part of why they don't learn, they don't think they need to.

YES.  SO MUCH YES.  Particularly the bolded parts. 

It's something that just happens, I think, to teenagers in general since forever, them thinking they know better.  But some get it worse than others, and it's these who are The Worst. 

Also, I wasn't being willfully ignorant.   The edit I put in put my thinking in better context, and more fully explained my thinking.

[The Wizard]

Also, I wasn't being willfully ignorant. sad  The edit I put in put my thinking in better context, and more fully explained my thinking.

Woah! That's not what I meant at all! We were talking about teens refusal to learn, which leads into willful ignorance. You're one of the last people I'd call ignorant.

YES.  SO MUCH YES.  Particularly the bolded parts.

It's something that just happens, I think, to teenagers in general since forever, them thinking they know better.  But some get it worse than others, and it's these who are The Worst. 

Part of it is the whole "gaining control over your life thing." They have to get rid of their dependence on others, so they develop a smarter than thou attitude to do that.

[Phox]

I think "We grow up" is an equally valid way of saying it. To me it implies an inclusive statement, encompassing past and future generations. In this case, I think it would work well as a rhetorical device.


That said, great piece, Semaj. I like this one much better than the last one.

Thanks! This one was harder to get out that Apathy was. For one thing, I prefer to have examples and sources for this kind of thing, but I couldn't find what I was looking for. But it seemed to work out anyway.

So, was there anything in particular about the last one you didn't like, or is it just a basic preference? I'm just always looking for ways to make this stuff better.

Basically  because it was.. well, wrong, as LMNO pointed out already. I liked the writing, though. And actually, I just looked and you have changed it. I like it much better now. 

[The Wizard]

Basically  because it was.. well, wrong, as LMNO pointed out already.

That one pissed me off. I really hate getting things wrong, especially when I'm doing something like this, where one wrong bit of data can fuck up my entire point. Was so annoyed, I triple checked the story I used to replace Kitty Genovese's.

And glad that the essay works better now. Thanks.

[Freeky]

Also, I wasn't being willfully ignorant. sad  The edit I put in put my thinking in better context, and more fully explained my thinking.

Woah! That's not what I meant at all! We were talking about teens refusal to learn, which leads into willful ignorance. You're one of the last people I'd call ignorant.

Ah. My comprehension is going a bit, I'm more than a little loopy and exhausted.

YES.  SO MUCH YES.  Particularly the bolded parts.

It's something that just happens, I think, to teenagers in general since forever, them thinking they know better.  But some get it worse than others, and it's these who are The Worst.  

Part of it is the whole "gaining control over your life thing." They have to get rid of their dependence on others, so they develop a smarter than thou attitude to do that.

Yes indeed.  But somewhere just before your mid twenties, you'll realize that they do have some good points.  But that doesn't mean you'll like it, or want to take their advice.  I don't know when that kicks in.

ETA: More willful ignorance?  Perhaps a streak of stubbornness for it's own sake?

[The Wizard]

Yes indeed.  But somewhere just before your mid twenties, you'll realize that they do have some good points.  But that doesn't mean you'll like it, or want to take their advice.  I don't know when that kicks in.

I don't think that one ever kicks in. I've yet to encounter a person who likes being told they're wrong or being given advice. But then again, I'm still young yet. 

Ah. My comprehension is going a bit, I'm more than a little loopy and exhausted.

Good, good. Just didn't want you thinking I had that opinion.

[Phox]

Yes indeed.  But somewhere just before your mid twenties, you'll realize that they do have some good points.  But that doesn't mean you'll like it, or want to take their advice.  I don't know when that kicks in.

I don't think that one ever kicks in. I've yet to encounter a person who likes being told they're wrong or being given advice. But then again, I'm still young yet. 

Maybe we young kids should ask Roger.

Basically  because it was.. well, wrong, as LMNO pointed out already.

That one pissed me off. I really hate getting things wrong, especially when I'm doing something like this, where one wrong bit of data can fuck up my entire point. Was so annoyed, I triple checked the story I used to replace Kitty Genovese's.

And glad that the essay works better now. Thanks.

Well yeah. I'd say more on Kitty Genovese, but that's not in this thread.

[The Wizard]

Maybe we young kids should ask Roger.

Okay, but which one of us?

Not it.

Well yeah. I'd say more on Kitty Genovese, but that's not in this thread.

Well, speak your piece in the Apathy thread. It'll fit in perfectly.

[Freeky]

Yes indeed.  But somewhere just before your mid twenties, you'll realize that they do have some good points.  But that doesn't mean you'll like it, or want to take their advice.  I don't know when that kicks in.

I don't think that one ever kicks in. I've yet to encounter a person who likes being told they're wrong or being given advice. But then again, I'm still young yet.  

I DO like advice, just not from my parents.  Though this might stem from my opinion of them as people.  I do try to think about their advice though.

Complicated shit is complicated.

Ah. My comprehension is going a bit, I'm more than a little loopy and exhausted.

Good, good. Just didn't want you thinking I had that opinion.

No prob.  Even if I did believe that for a minute, I wasn't pissed, just like and because I didn't think I got my point across, or something.

[The Wizard]

I DO like advice, just not from my parents.  Though this might stem from my opinion of them as people.  I do try to think about their advice though.

Complicated shit is complicated.

Hmm. I shouldn't have generalized. Right after I posted that, a bunch of people I knew who did like advice popped into my head. But most of those people weren't my age. Generally they were over thirty somethings who'd gone through some shit.

No prob.  Even if I did believe that for a minute, I wasn't pissed, just like confused and sad because I didn't think I got my point across, or something.

Well still. You're  a friend, and I don't like giving friends the wrong impression.

[Freeky]

I DO like advice, just not from my parents.  Though this might stem from my opinion of them as people.  I do try to think about their advice though.

Complicated shit is complicated.

Hmm. I shouldn't have generalized. Right after I posted that, a bunch of people I knew who did like advice popped into my head. But most of those people weren't my age. Generally they were over thirty somethings who'd gone through some shit.

I do that too.

No prob.  Even if I did believe that for a minute, I wasn't pissed, just like confused and sad because I didn't think I got my point across, or something.

Well still. You're  a friend, and I don't like giving friends the wrong impression.
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No worries, all is well.

[The Wizard]

No worries, all is well.

Glad to hear. 

[Luna]

I'm trying to refine my list of sins. I've changed Stupidity to Willful Ignorance and switched Gullibility and Irresponsibility out for Deception and Irresponsibility. Any thoughts?

Willful Ignorance, better than Stupidity.  Some people just plain can't help being stupid, that's not a sin, that's just the brain they were handed in the big lottery, it's the ones who have the capacity to understand, who have been shown, and STILL refuse to see that drive me batfuck crazy.

Deception, better than Gullibility, in concept...  Deviousness, maybe better?  Though repeated gullibility, I suppose, would fall under Willful Ignorance.