This thread is now an A Dance With Dragons Spoiler thread.

[LMNO]

Right now, I kind of like how (since I never read the books) reading this is like having brief, incomprehensible glimpses into upcoming episodes.

But I'll probably suck it up and start reading them, eventually.

[Disco Pickle]

Tyrion and Arya are brilliant.  Jaime too was very well chosen, IMO.

My main worry is Catelyn Stark.  I don't know if it is the actress, the script or a combination of the two, but she is a much weaker character thus far than she was in the books.  Maybe she'll show more steel later on, but right now she's coming across as a more sane version of her sister.

I'm on the fence with Catelyn.  Like EoC said, a lot of her chapters was her internal monologue about Ned, watching Robb become King in the North and how it makes her feel.  I'm looking forward to their trek to the Eyrie and the clusterfuck her sister makes of it, but I did always think of Catelyn as being silently strong more than outwardly.  They will definitely have to work in her confrontation with Frey that allows Robb to cross at the twins.  I expect they'll show her outward strength in that scene.

[Disco Pickle]

I would agree that later on, a lot of it was a show and the loss of Bran and Ned affected her deeply, but even earlier on there were hints at being a somewhat formidable character - like suggesting Ned become the King's Hand to investigate Arryn's assassination, or freeing Jaime Lannister.  For me, I cannot currently see her character as the same person seen post-Red Wedding, stringing up soldiers.  But perhaps that will change.  I'll see how she handles Tyrion's trial by combat.

Yeah, but that was her breaking point.  She went completely bat shit seeing what happened at the wedding.  She thought she had lost everyone.  I like that he hasn't really fleshed out what the hell was going on with Beric and the priest, and then her.  I'm looking forward to what the hell all of that is about and where it fits into the rest of the world.

[Eater of Clowns]

I would agree that later on, a lot of it was a show and the loss of Bran and Ned affected her deeply, but even earlier on there were hints at being a somewhat formidable character - like suggesting Ned become the King's Hand to investigate Arryn's assassination, or freeing Jaime Lannister.  For me, I cannot currently see her character as the same person seen post-Red Wedding, stringing up soldiers.  But perhaps that will change.  I'll see how she handles Tyrion's trial by combat.

Yeah, but that was her breaking point.  She went completely bat shit seeing what happened at the wedding.  She thought she had lost everyone.  I like that he hasn't really fleshed out what the hell was going on with Beric and the priest, and then her.  I'm looking forward to what the hell all of that is about and where it fits into the rest of the world.

If what Martin hinted at is the case, I am going to be BULLSHIT.  Beric Dondarrion was such an awesome character.

[Eater of Clowns]

Right now, I kind of like how (since I never read the books) reading this is like having brief, incomprehensible glimpses into upcoming episodes.

But I'll probably suck it up and start reading them, eventually.

You should probably stop reading even the little hints we have in here.  Those books have an 'OOHHH FUUUUUUCK' moment every few chapters and it'd suck to have those ruined by our dumb asses.

[Disco Pickle]

Right now, I kind of like how (since I never read the books) reading this is like having brief, incomprehensible glimpses into upcoming episodes.

But I'll probably suck it up and start reading them, eventually.

You should probably stop reading even the little hints we have in here.  Those books have an 'OOHHH FUUUUUUCK' moment every few chapters and it'd suck to have those ruined by our dumb asses.

yeah, I'm trying to at least be vague about it, or only talk about the last episode and hints at what should happen in the next.

you should really pick up the books LMNO.  If you're liking the series, you'll tear right through the first one and be all caught up, depending on how fast you read.

[Luna]

Maybe I'll pick up the books, myself...

[Eater of Clowns]

Finally caught episode 4 this morning.

What is it with these series and throat gore?  I thought Bran's wolf killing the dude was intense, Gregor's attack had BLOOD SPIT BUBBLES!

The series is at an even 50/50 for me.  Episodes 1 and 3 were not great, but 2 and 4 were awesome.

The scene in the inn where Catelyn arrests the Imp was done very, very well.

[Disco Pickle]

Finally caught episode 4 this morning.

What is it with these series and throat gore?  I thought Bran's wolf killing the dude was intense, Gregor's attack had BLOOD SPIT BUBBLES!

The series is at an even 50/50 for me.  Episodes 1 and 3 were not great, but 2 and 4 were awesome.

The scene in the inn where Catelyn arrests the Imp was done very, very well.

throat gore and sex doggy style.

I can't be absolutely sure, even having just finished the first one again, but wasn't Jamie supposed to have slit Aerys's throat, not have stabbed him in the back?

[Eater of Clowns]

Finally caught episode 4 this morning.

What is it with these series and throat gore?  I thought Bran's wolf killing the dude was intense, Gregor's attack had BLOOD SPIT BUBBLES!

The series is at an even 50/50 for me.  Episodes 1 and 3 were not great, but 2 and 4 were awesome.

The scene in the inn where Catelyn arrests the Imp was done very, very well.

throat gore and sex doggy style.

I can't be absolutely sure, even having just finished the first one again, but wasn't Jamie supposed to have slit Aerys's throat, not have stabbed him in the back?

Yes, and while I'm not complaining that does bother me just a little.  Maybe it'll get cleared up later.

[Disco Pickle]

so I'm about 250 pages into book 2 for the second time and realized that the outward strength attributed to Catelyn didn't really begin to show until this book.  She had to change from being a mother to being a mother and her son's adviser, yet still try and do all she could for her daughters.

[Disco Pickle]

as to the episode aired tonight:

   

what?

[Eater of Clowns]

I was wondering if I'd seen the guy playing Sandor Clegane in anything before, so I did a quick IMDB.

Hot Fuzz.

"Yarp"

[Disco Pickle]

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So more throat and animal gore, more sex from behind and obligatory HBO full frontal male nudity, a blowjob in an overt homosexual relationship that was only ever hinted in the books, humanizing Cerci's feelings about Robert and their marriage.  That was probably the part that made me 

Other than helping cement the reasoning behind Loras's disposition in later books, I don't think changing the way Martin portrayed Renly's and Loras's relationship serves much purpose.

And Cerci's fabricated scene with Robert felt like it was some how supposed to give you the feeling that things would be different and she wouldn't do what she's about to do had he just loved her, which is bullshit IMO.

[Cain]

I know it was only implied in the books, but I'm fairly sure Martin is on the record as saying yes, they were having knightly buttsex on a regular basis, or words to that effect.  They didn't have to make explicit, true, but it was HBO so the chances of it not happening were fairly low.

And I am fairly sure later on in the series, when we get a Cersei POV chapter (or maybe it was with Jaime, its been three years since I read the books) that Robert did treat her pretty terribly, as far as she was concerned.  Which isn't exactly hard to believe, what with his constant womanizing and bouts of anger.  And I'm pretty sure her memories of their first time in bed read more like a rape.  Of course, it probably still would've gone down the same way, especially with all the other scheming that was going on, but his treatment of her definitely made things easier, when push came to shove.