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When I next move, it may be to THIS town...

Started by Luna, April 29, 2011, 01:41:06 PM

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Richter

Quote from: SHIBBOLEET THE ANNIHILATOR on April 29, 2011, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 29, 2011, 01:41:06 PM
http://www.retirelikeme.com/2011/04/21/mississippi-town-destroys-westboro-baptist-plans/

As entertaining and "that's awesome" as this was, it hurts free speech. A good measure of what our actual freedom of speech is, is how protected the most detestable speech is. Speech that is not wildly unpopular does not need protected.

As much as I'd like to see Phelps & Co. on the receiving end of a spectacular beating, this event was government suppression of free speech.

What he said.  There's that dissconenct between people being free to say what they want, and people having to take responsibility for what they say.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Disco Pickle

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:09:43 PM

WBC believes they are engaging in the exposition of an idea.  One which is very important to them, as self-appointed guardians of morality.

I think you mean this one.  I agree with that, that's what they believe, and the court has agreed with them.

I don't believe they're conveying any idea that is worth a damn to anyone, but that's only my opinion.  While there are certainly people who agree with WHAT they're saying and others believe that they should not be prohibited from saying it, even if they don't agree, any reasonable person would disagrees with HOW they're saying it.    
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Disco Pickle on April 29, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:09:43 PM

WBC believes they are engaging in the exposition of an idea.  One which is very important to them, as self-appointed guardians of morality.

I think you mean this one.  I agree with that, that's what they believe, and the court has agreed with them.

I don't believe they're conveying any idea that is worth a damn to anyone, but that's only my opinion.  While there are certainly people who agree with WHAT they're saying and that they should not be prohibited from saying it, even if you don't agree, any reasonable person would disagrees with HOW they're saying it.    

On public property?

Perhaps we should establish "First Amendment Zones" 3 miles away from all sidewalks.  Or maybe a big empy building with soundproof walls.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: SHIBBOLEET THE ANNIHILATOR on April 29, 2011, 06:34:25 PM
A good measure of what our actual freedom of speech is, is how protected the most detestable speech is. Speech that is not wildly unpopular does not need protected.

THIS.

Truth.

It was wrong.

But I still enjoyed it.
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Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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Richter

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on April 29, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:09:43 PM

WBC believes they are engaging in the exposition of an idea.  One which is very important to them, as self-appointed guardians of morality.

I think you mean this one.  I agree with that, that's what they believe, and the court has agreed with them.

I don't believe they're conveying any idea that is worth a damn to anyone, but that's only my opinion.  While there are certainly people who agree with WHAT they're saying and that they should not be prohibited from saying it, even if you don't agree, any reasonable person would disagrees with HOW they're saying it.    

On public property?

Perhaps we should establish "First Amendment Zones" 3 miles away from all sidewalks.  Or maybe a big empy building with soundproof walls.

Remember the "Protest Zones" for the last WTO conference?
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Disco Pickle

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on April 29, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:09:43 PM

WBC believes they are engaging in the exposition of an idea.  One which is very important to them, as self-appointed guardians of morality.

I think you mean this one.  I agree with that, that's what they believe, and the court has agreed with them.

I don't believe they're conveying any idea that is worth a damn to anyone, but that's only my opinion.  While there are certainly people who agree with WHAT they're saying and that they should not be prohibited from saying it, even if you don't agree, any reasonable person would disagrees with HOW they're saying it.    

On public property?

Perhaps we should establish "First Amendment Zones" 3 miles away from all sidewalks.  Or maybe a big empy building with soundproof walls.

yeah, you're right.  bad idea.  i concede all previous arguments.  let them bark their psychobabble all they want, wherever they want.  
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

Eater of Clowns

Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
EoC, you are the bane of my existence.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2014, 01:18:23 AM
EoC doesn't make creepy.

EoC makes creepy worse.

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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Richter on April 29, 2011, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on April 29, 2011, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:09:43 PM

WBC believes they are engaging in the exposition of an idea.  One which is very important to them, as self-appointed guardians of morality.

I think you mean this one.  I agree with that, that's what they believe, and the court has agreed with them.

I don't believe they're conveying any idea that is worth a damn to anyone, but that's only my opinion.  While there are certainly people who agree with WHAT they're saying and that they should not be prohibited from saying it, even if you don't agree, any reasonable person would disagrees with HOW they're saying it.    

On public property?

Perhaps we should establish "First Amendment Zones" 3 miles away from all sidewalks.  Or maybe a big empy building with soundproof walls.

Remember the "Protest Zones" for the last WTO conference?

Or the last 2 democratic party conventions, for that matter, or anywhere Bush went.

The 2004 democratic party convention had the "freedom of speech zone" on the other side of a 2 acre parking lot, inside a razor wire-enclosed area.

Inside the convention, the spectators had to stand in big cages.  No shit.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 29, 2011, 06:49:34 PM


From the Muir Woods National Park.

When I was young, the entire country was a first amendment zone.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Richter

I feel this makes the counter - trolls like Iptuous mentioned only that much more awesome.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Shibboleet The Annihilator

This isn't really related to free speech, but it should be noted that the WBC people are pretty much just lawsuit trolls trying to goad people into situations where they can be sued.

Keep this in mind if you ever have any interactions with them.

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 29, 2011, 06:49:34 PM


From the Muir Woods National Park.

When I was young, the entire country was a first amendment zone.

You can't have that anymore Roger, think of the children....

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Khara on April 29, 2011, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
When I was young, the entire country was a first amendment zone.

You can't have that anymore Roger, think of the children....

We were very irresponsible, back then.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: Khara on April 29, 2011, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
When I was young, the entire country was a first amendment zone.

You can't have that anymore Roger, think of the children....

We were very irresponsible, back then.

EXACTLY!!  Look how you and I turned out.

Luna

Quote from: Khara on April 29, 2011, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: Khara on April 29, 2011, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
When I was young, the entire country was a first amendment zone.

You can't have that anymore Roger, think of the children....

We were very irresponsible, back then.

EXACTLY!!  Look how you and I turned out.

I do... and I look at the students here at the university.

Times when running your mouth could get your teeth knocked down your throat seem to have made better people.
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Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."