Fuck you, it's another Osama thread.

[Slyph]

I think I've already noted that when I started hearing the chanting of "USA! USA!", I got this sinking feeling in my stomach.

Sometimes, I hate being right.

When I hear that, I want to pull a Kipling and "order the guns and kill".

HAHAHAHAHA

Sorry. I fucking loved this so much... Just, yeah, YEAH! couldn't let this pass without "".

Carry on.

[Slyph]

Alright, everything else aside, I liked the part where the bullets hit him in the dome, that was classic.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

If this guy was a common criminal and could have been taken alive, then yeah... shooting in the head is not justice.

However, this is a person who raised/inspired an army and declared war on a sovereign nation. Further, had he been captured alive, his followers may have done all sorts of terrible things to try to get him freed. Finally, assuming that the orders from the President clearly said 'surrender or die'... then I think it is a just and justifiable end for him.

Of course, I would have preferred to see this happen 10 years ago without the loss of blood and treasure. It didn't happen that way though.

Oh look, it's an entire platoon of strawmen!

Just after Bin Laden was killed, the Mexican drug cartel leader Benjamin Arrellano Felix was extradited to the US to stand trial.  He ran a large, well organized cartel in Tijuana which brings the drugs over the border into the states.  He has ordered children raped and killed in front of their parents, and people to be skinned and their bodies dumped in the streets.  He's richer than Bin Laden, probably just as well connected and has fought Mexican soldiers and paramilitaries, the armed forces of an allied government of the United States. 

And yet, he was caught alive.  And he faces a civilian trial.  Why?  Because he's a criminal.  Just like Bin Laden.

His followers may attempt to free him.  Those fighting on the side of the Cartels in Mexico include highly trained former SWAT team members and Special Forces who have swapped sides - people far more skilled than the average Al-Qaeda terrorist. 

Yet he is still on trial.

To say "Bin Laden" declared war on the USA is nonsense.  Only countries can decare war.  Bin Laden isn't a country.  And he doesn't control one.  In fact, even the weakest and most despised government is far more powerful than anything Bin Laden can bring to bear.  And war criminals get tried all the time.

Come back with some better strawmen.  These ones are looking weak.

Reading this stuff is like watching prime-quality whupass.

[AFK]

I think I've already noted that when I started hearing the chanting of "USA! USA!", I got this sinking feeling in my stomach.

Sometimes, I hate being right.

I have been trying assiduously to avoid the coverage. Not actually hard but I accidentaly saw a bit on a web site yesterday. The thing which struck me forcibly was that the whoop de doop /ding dong the witch is dead crowd were almost uniformly too young to have been out of grade school when 9/11 happened. I wonder what effect this vicarious victory is going to have on their "americanness". Luckily I will be long dead by then but I should be very interested to see what that impact is longterm on American policy and pride in say, 50 yrs. For what its worth I don't anticipate it will be  a terribly good thing in the long term.

Apparently, lots of kids don't know who Bin Laden is

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-kids-are-not-all-right/2011/05/03/AFIQHLnF_blog.html

Or a bunch of kids just trolled the WaPo via Twitter, which is the interpretation I'm leaning towards.

Anyone under 15 seems to have pretty much no clue. I teach 11, 12 year olds and some knew he 'flew a plane into a building' but that was about it.

That said, obviously Australia cares less, somewhat.

I would chalk that up to the fact that we immediately jumped to Iraq and once again made Saddam THE bad guy America wanted to get.  So kids probably didn't really hear a lot about Osama except for that fairly brief window of time between 9/11 and the start of the Iraq War. 

[Cain]

Most kids under 15 probably think Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the President of Iran, Gadaffi, Stalin and Hitler are all the same person.

This is why we dont allow them to drink, drive cars or vote.

[MMIX]

Most kids under 15 probably think Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the President of Iran, Gadaffi, Stalin and Hitler are all the same person.

This is why we dont allow them to drink, drive cars or vote.

I still suspect that in 50 yrs time these same kids will be reminiscing about Obama Van Leyden and how he drew anti-christian cartoons in Holland.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Most kids under 15 probably think Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the President of Iran, Gadaffi, Stalin and Hitler are all the same person.

This is why we dont allow them to drink, drive cars or vote.

I still suspect that in 50 yrs time these same kids will be reminiscing about Obama Van Leyden and how he drew anti-christian cartoons in Holland. picking through the ruins, looking for old canned food and rats.

Fixed that for ya.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think I've already noted that when I started hearing the chanting of "USA! USA!", I got this sinking feeling in my stomach.

Sometimes, I hate being right.

I have been trying assiduously to avoid the coverage. Not actually hard but I accidentaly saw a bit on a web site yesterday. The thing which struck me forcibly was that the whoop de doop /ding dong the witch is dead crowd were almost uniformly too young to have been out of grade school when 9/11 happened. I wonder what effect this vicarious victory is going to have on their "americanness". Luckily I will be long dead by then but I should be very interested to see what that impact is longterm on American policy and pride in say, 50 yrs. For what its worth I don't anticipate it will be  a terribly good thing in the long term.

Apparently, lots of kids don't know who Bin Laden is

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-kids-are-not-all-right/2011/05/03/AFIQHLnF_blog.html

Or a bunch of kids just trolled the WaPo via Twitter, which is the interpretation I'm leaning towards.

Those kids are so trollin'. The dead giveaway was the "was he in a band too?" guy. The sad thing is that the people at the Washington Post are so out of the loop that they don't get it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think I've already noted that when I started hearing the chanting of "USA! USA!", I got this sinking feeling in my stomach.

Sometimes, I hate being right.

I have been trying assiduously to avoid the coverage. Not actually hard but I accidentaly saw a bit on a web site yesterday. The thing which struck me forcibly was that the whoop de doop /ding dong the witch is dead crowd were almost uniformly too young to have been out of grade school when 9/11 happened. I wonder what effect this vicarious victory is going to have on their "americanness". Luckily I will be long dead by then but I should be very interested to see what that impact is longterm on American policy and pride in say, 50 yrs. For what its worth I don't anticipate it will be  a terribly good thing in the long term.

Apparently, lots of kids don't know who Bin Laden is

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-kids-are-not-all-right/2011/05/03/AFIQHLnF_blog.html

Or a bunch of kids just trolled the WaPo via Twitter, which is the interpretation I'm leaning towards.

Those kids are so trollin'. The dead giveaway was the "was he in a band too?" guy. The sad thing is that the people at the Washington Post are so out of the loop that they don't get it.

Bin Ladin and the One Way Pilots.

They're too underground for you.

[Adios]

I think I've already noted that when I started hearing the chanting of "USA! USA!", I got this sinking feeling in my stomach.

Sometimes, I hate being right.

I have been trying assiduously to avoid the coverage. Not actually hard but I accidentaly saw a bit on a web site yesterday. The thing which struck me forcibly was that the whoop de doop /ding dong the witch is dead crowd were almost uniformly too young to have been out of grade school when 9/11 happened. I wonder what effect this vicarious victory is going to have on their "americanness". Luckily I will be long dead by then but I should be very interested to see what that impact is longterm on American policy and pride in say, 50 yrs. For what its worth I don't anticipate it will be  a terribly good thing in the long term.

Apparently, lots of kids don't know who Bin Laden is

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-kids-are-not-all-right/2011/05/03/AFIQHLnF_blog.html

Or a bunch of kids just trolled the WaPo via Twitter, which is the interpretation I'm leaning towards.

Those kids are so trollin'. The dead giveaway was the "was he in a band too?" guy. The sad thing is that the people at the Washington Post are so out of the loop that they don't get it.

Bin Ladin and the One Way Pilots.

They're too underground for you.

Who could forget their number 1 hit "I put a Vest on you."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Who could forget their number 1 hit "I put a Vest on you."

Or "I'm Leaving on a Jet Plane".

Or "Burkhaville".

Or "Hummusburger in Paradise".

[Adios]

Who could forget their number 1 hit "I put a Vest on you."

Or "I'm Leaving on a Jet Plane".

Or "Burkhaville".

Or "Hummusburger in Paradise".

"I Explode to Pieces."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

They covered Elton John's And the House Came Down, right?

[Luna]

They covered Elton John's And the House Came Down, right?

And, of course, "Hit Me With Your Best Shot."

[Adios]

It is so comforting to realize on a regular basis that I am surround by fuckers as sick as me.