Fun at the Refinery: It's Like Anthropology of the Stupid.

[Kai]

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.

He hasn't got anyone below him.  He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.

So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.

He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.

And he gets paid to do this?

I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.

99% of engineers do this.

It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.

You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.

This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?

I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.

He hasn't got anyone below him.  He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.

So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.

He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.

And he gets paid to do this?

I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.

99% of engineers do this.

It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.

You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.

This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?

I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

[Don Coyote]

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.

He hasn't got anyone below him.  He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.

So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.

He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.

And he gets paid to do this?

I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.

99% of engineers do this.

It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.

You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.

This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?

I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

I think the Army helped me learn to say "I have no idea"

Coyote, learned something new, about a weapon system he's being using for 3 years, last week, while teaching someone about it.

[Disco Pickle]

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.

He hasn't got anyone below him.  He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.

So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.

He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.

And he gets paid to do this?

I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.

99% of engineers do this.

It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.

You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.

This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?

I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.

In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"

I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.

Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.

He hasn't got anyone below him.  He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.

So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.

He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.

And he gets paid to do this?

I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.

99% of engineers do this.

It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.

You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.

This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?

I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.

In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"

I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.

Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.

I've worked with a couple of hundred engineers, mostly in Chicago.  About 2 knew their arses from a hole in the ground, or how to say "Hang on, while I look that up".

It's a whole field full of perpetual shave-tail lieutenants.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).

[Don Coyote]

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

This is disgusting, that prick will probably squeeze that back out of the people below him. People like that deserve to be shot.

He hasn't got anyone below him.  He has been banned from managing by the president of North American operations.

So what does he do? Aside from being retarded.

He engineers solutions without any input from people who know what's going on, takes any suggestions as an attack on his competence, and rides his plans down in flames.

And he gets paid to do this?

I want his job. I could probably do it better than him.

99% of engineers do this.

It's the other 1% who keep the lights on.

You can tell which camp you'll be in, should you go into engineering, BTW.

This boggles me. Seriously? 99%?

I can see why they tend to turn up supporting creationists now.

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

I love to call out a blanket statement, so don't take that personally, but those sorts of engineers probably end up using their degree to do what your idiot does.

In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience, the ones that keep a company up and running are humble enough to say "hey, you know what, I'm not entirely sure that idea wont kill someone, let me go see if I can find some information on it"

I guess my point was the 1% is maybe a bit biased, with reason, based on the sorts that get shipped out to Tuscon.

Not like there's much to destroy out there with incompetence anyway.

I've worked with a couple of hundred engineers, mostly in Chicago.  About 2 knew their arses from a hole in the ground, or how to say "Hang on, while I look that up".

It's a whole field full of perpetual shave-tail lieutenants.

So totally glad I enlisted instead of joining with a commission.

[Don Coyote]

I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).

HEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE THINGS WITH THAT SCIENCE!!!!!!!:crankey:

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).

HEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE THINGS WITH THAT SCIENCE!!!!!!!:crankey:

Ah, they're so cute before their dreams get smashed flat and trampled into the mud.   

[Kai]

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.

Like I said, I've met a couple that were worth the paper their PEs were written on.

They're the ones with muddy boots and calloused hands.

[Richter]

Okay, so we did a confined space entry on an acid tank last Friday.  The plan calls for the $10,000 whiz-bang O² monitor to be on the tank that's full, and the $5,000 regular monitor to be on the tank that's empty (We know there's no acid in that).  The permits are all straight, and the entire area is roped off with red tape (do not cross).

Enter Mike and Ken, who are on a mission to show that a) we're doin' it wrong, and b) that they're so important that the red tape rule doesn't apply to them.  Up the stairs they come.  Mike decides that the expensive monitor should be on the occupied tank, and just as I'm opening my mouth to ask him what he's doing inside the tape, he grabs the monitor from where I'd clipped it to the tank.

Then he bobbles it, and it drops into the (full) acid tank.

I start laughing.

"Hey, Mike...That arrogance of yours comes cheap!  Only a $10,000 instrument and a ruined batch!"

Mike scurries off, swearing at me.

I look at Ken..."And what are YOU doing here?"

Ken also runs off.

At about this point, the contractor is done in the tank.  I tell the guys to close it up, because I have to go have a talk with the boss.

When I arrive at Jim's office, he's pounding the table over and over, and screaming at Mike...Who had, it seems, gone in to explain how his crossing the tape and ruining the batch and the instrument is obviously my fault.  My boss sees me standing at the door.

"YOU!  Get in here!"

"Okay, boss."

"Why did you have the monitor on that tank?"

"Because that's what the plan you approved said to do."

"Good enough.  Get out.  AND DON'T LISTEN AT THE DOOR, YOU SNEAKY BASTARD!"

I gave him a look of wounded innocence, and went to the break room to get a coffee.  Apparently, though, Ken decided HE should listen at the door.  My boss, assuming I was doing that, opened the door, and Ken fell into his office.

The explosion was loud, even in the breakroom.  As "Bob" is my witness, I couldn't stop laughing.

Apparently, Jim decided that Mike should apologize to me for crossing the tape (knowing that this would kill Mike.  Mike comes over to my office and snarls an apology.

Then he sees my computer screen, on which I am ordering a new instrument on his cost center.

"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"

"Oh, that's easy, Mike...I'm picking your pocket while you stand there and watch.  Oh, look.  This puts you in the red for the year.  I guess no conventions for you, eh?"

The resulting tantrum is funnier if left undescribed.

There's nothing like ending the week with some massive ownage.

Or Kill Me.

Made my damn day

[Kai]

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.

Like I said, I've met a couple that were worth the paper their PEs were written on.

They're the ones with muddy boots and calloused hands.

Just like any skilled craftsman; they have the time and experience to do the job well because they've done it, hard, and already blown through all the amateur mistakes long ago. Sounds like your "engineers" are more like apprentices, in over their heads, yet unrealizing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Engineers tend to suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome.  They think that everyone around them are idiots, and that a millwright with 30 years of experience doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no degree.

Worse, if the engineer gets his PE stamp, he suddenly becomes an expert on ALL subjects, and forgets how to say "I don't know" or "Let me look that up" or "Whoops.  I made a mistake."

Basically, the whole field is full of Requia.

My god. Well, they're not scientists. They like to play pretend sometimes, but they're not. It's a technical skill set, like medicine, or psychiatry, not a field of research. So they don't have to play by the rules of science which includes saying you don't know. Though, it must be nice when they do.

Like I said, I've met a couple that were worth the paper their PEs were written on.

They're the ones with muddy boots and calloused hands.

Just like any skilled craftsman; they have the time and experience to do the job well because they've done it, hard, and already blown through all the amateur mistakes long ago. Sounds like your "engineers" are more like apprentices, in over their heads, yet unrealizing.

More along the lines of "they think that getting the PE means they can stop learning."

Our engineer can't even use a multimeter properly.  Granted, he's a chemical engineer, but the way he blathers on about mechanical and electrical issues, you'd think he could manage a simple tool.

[Don Coyote]

I mean, they're basically the guys who couldn't hack it as physicists, chemists, or mathematicians (depending on their field of engineering).

HEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE THINGS WITH THAT SCIENCE!!!!!!!:crankey:

Ah, they're so cute before their dreams get smashed flat and trampled into the mud.   

Fuck it. Going into Mathematics.