The most poignant statement on environmental ethic since Sand County Almanac.

Started by Kai, May 24, 2011, 02:33:55 AM

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Had to post this.

Quote from: Wendell Berry, Future of Food Conference, May 4, 2011Our fundamental problem is world destruction, caused by an irreconcilable contradiction between the natural world and the engineered world of industrialism. This conflict between nature and human interest may have begun with the first tools and weapons, but only with the triumph of industrialism has it become absolute. By now the creaturely world is absolutely at the mercy of industrial processes, which are doing massive ecological damage. How much of this damage may be repairable by economic and cultural changes remains to be seen.

Industrial destructiveness, anyhow, is our disease. Most of our most popular worries — climate change, fossil fuel addiction, pollution, poverty, hunger and the various forms of legitimated violence — are symptoms. If, for example, we were somehow granted a limitless supply of cheap, clean energy, we would continue and even accelerate our destruction of the world by agricultural erosion, chemical poisoning, industrial war, industrial recreation and various forms of "development."

And there is no use in saying that if we can invent the nuclear bomb and fly to the moon, we can solve hunger and related problems of land use. Epic feats of engineering require only a few brilliant technicians and a lot of money. But feeding a world of people year to year for a long time requires cultures of husbandry fitted to the nature of millions of unique small places — precisely the kind of cultures that industrialism has purposely disvalued, uprooted and destroyed.

Hard as it may be for a dislocated, miseducated, consumptive society to accept and for its pet economists to believe, the future of food is not distinguishable from the future of the land, which is indistinguishable, in turn, from the future of human care. It depends ultimately on the health not of the financial system, but of the ecosphere. In the interest of that health, we will have to bring all the disciplines, all the arts and sciences, into conformity with the nature of places.

Like other species, we will have to submit to the necessity of local adaptation. I am sure that somebody will wish to remind me of the migrations of birds, animals and insects, and also of migrations by humans from earliest times. Did these involve local adaptation? Yes; except for those of industrial humans using fossil fuel, all of these migrations have been made under the rule of local adaptation. The hummingbird successfully crossing the Gulf of Mexico is adapted, mile by mile, to the distance; it does not exceed its own mental and physical capacities, and it makes the trip, exactly like pre-industrial human migrants, on contemporary energy.

For humans, local adaptation is not work for a few financiers and a few intellectual and political hotshots. This is work for everybody, requiring everybody's intelligence. It is work inherently democratic.

What must we do?

First, we must not work or think on a heroic scale. In our age of global industrialism, heroes too lightly risk the lives of people, places and things they do not see. We must work on a scale proper to our limited abilities. We must not break things we cannot fix. There is no justification, ever, for permanent ecological damage. If this imposes the verdict of guilt upon us all, so be it.

Second, we must abandon the homeopathic delusion that the damages done by industrialization can be corrected by more industrialization.

Third, we must quit solving our problems by "moving on." We must try to stay put and to learn where we are geographically, historically and ecologically.

Fourth, we must learn, if we can, the sources and costs of our own economic lives.

Fifth, we must give up the notion that we are too good to do our own work and clean up our own messes. It is not acceptable for this work to be done for us by wage slavery or by enslaving nature.

Sixth, by way of correction, we must make local, locally adapted economies, based on local nature, local sunlight, local intelligence and local work.

Seventh, we must understand that these measures are radical. They go to the root of our problem. They cannot be performed for us by any expert, political leader or corporation.

This is an agenda that may be undertaken by ordinary citizens at any time, on their own initiative. In fact, it describes an effort already undertaken all over the world by many people. It defines also the expectation that citizens who, by their gifts, are exceptional will not shirk the most humble service.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/the-future-of-food-is-not-distinguishable-from-the-future-of-the-land/2011/05/05/AFhvN2iG_story.html
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Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?

I haven't heard of him - will look him up!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 25, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?

I haven't heard of him - will look him up!

Old school socialist.  Wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, but didn't have a violent bone in his body.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 25, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?

I haven't heard of him - will look him up!

Old school socialist.  Wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, but didn't have a violent bone in his body.

He's teh one that actually got like a million votes while running for president from a jail cell, yeah?
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Ållnephew Tvýðleþøn on June 25, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 25, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?

I haven't heard of him - will look him up!

Old school socialist.  Wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, but didn't have a violent bone in his body.

He's teh one that actually got like a million votes while running for president from a jail cell, yeah?

Yep.  When the Sedition Act was passed, he got up and talked shit until they arrested him.

Then they had to bring him from the jail to congress, because he hadn't been impeached, and the constitution forbids preventing a congressman from attending congress.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2014, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ållnephew Tvýðleþøn on June 25, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 25, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?

I haven't heard of him - will look him up!

Old school socialist.  Wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, but didn't have a violent bone in his body.

He's teh one that actually got like a million votes while running for president from a jail cell, yeah?

Yep.  When the Sedition Act was passed, he got up and talked shit until they arrested him.

Then they had to bring him from the jail to congress, because he hadn't been impeached, and the constitution forbids preventing a congressman from attending congress.

That's pretty fucking awesome.
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Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2014, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ållnephew Tvýðleþøn on June 25, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2014, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 25, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 24, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Bumping this for the sheer awesomeness of Wendell Berry, who also said "I believe that the community - in the fullest sense: a place and all its creatures - is the smallest unit of health and that to speak of the health of an isolated individual is a contradiction in terms."

Sounds like something Eugene Debs would say.

Have I mentioned that I have a total man crush on Eugene Debs?

I haven't heard of him - will look him up!

Old school socialist.  Wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, but didn't have a violent bone in his body.

He's teh one that actually got like a million votes while running for president from a jail cell, yeah?

Yep.  When the Sedition Act was passed, he got up and talked shit until they arrested him.

Then they had to bring him from the jail to congress, because he hadn't been impeached, and the constitution forbids preventing a congressman from attending congress.

Hot damn, that's awesome!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

"While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."
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"I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world."
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"The issue is Socialism versus Capitalism. I am for Socialism because I am for humanity. We have been cursed with the reign of gold long enough."
- Eugene V. Debs

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Junkenstein

QuoteWhile there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free

I've wondered where that quote originated from for a while.

Another question answered. Also, it seems that Wilson was an even bigger dick than I thought.

Also, this:
Quote"I would no more teach children military training than I would teach them arson, robbery, or assassination."
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.