Keeping a kid's gender secret...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

[BabylonHoruv]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

Right, but in biological anthropology you have to be careful about attributing differences to brain structure, because brain structure is highly mutable. The brains of people who were abused as children, for instance, are different from the brains of those who weren't. Using the logic you appear to be using, that would mean that the children caused themselves to be abused by virtue of having the brain structure of someone who is abused.

Right?

I don't believe that the brain structure of the transgendered person doesn't match their bodies. In fact, I think that's so absurdly stupid an assertion as to belong in the same realm as otherkin. I think, with my brain that is part of my body, that we have assigned sex to gender, and are falsely imposing the expectation that a person with a perfectly normal healthy body must "really" be the other sex because they "think like" the other sex. That's gender role imposition.

WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. The body didn't create the problem. The solution is not to use technology to resolve the dissonance, the solution is to remove the dissonance by dissolving the artificial assignments of "gender".

[BabylonHoruv]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

Right, but in biological anthropology you have to be careful about attributing differences to brain structure, because brain structure is highly mutable. The brains of people who were abused as children, for instance, are different from the brains of those who weren't. Using the logic you appear to be using, that would mean that the children caused themselves to be abused by virtue of having the brain structure of someone who is abused.

Right?

I don't believe that the brain structure of the transgendered person doesn't match their bodies. In fact, I think that's so absurdly stupid an assertion as to belong in the same realm as otherkin. I think, with my brain that is part of my body, that we have assigned sex to gender, and are falsely imposing the expectation that a person with a perfectly normal healthy body must "really" be the other sex because they "think like" the other sex. That's gender role imposition.

WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. The body didn't create the problem. The solution is not to use technology to resolve the dissonance, the solution is to remove the dissonance by dissolving the artificial assignments of "gender".

Maybe,  It's a lot easier to give someone hormone therapy than to change society and the portrayal of gender though.

Without hormone therapy trans people tend to depression, due to the mismatch with hormone receptors, with hormone therapy the incidence of depression is greatly reduced.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

Right, but in biological anthropology you have to be careful about attributing differences to brain structure, because brain structure is highly mutable. The brains of people who were abused as children, for instance, are different from the brains of those who weren't. Using the logic you appear to be using, that would mean that the children caused themselves to be abused by virtue of having the brain structure of someone who is abused.

Right?

I don't believe that the brain structure of the transgendered person doesn't match their bodies. In fact, I think that's so absurdly stupid an assertion as to belong in the same realm as otherkin. I think, with my brain that is part of my body, that we have assigned sex to gender, and are falsely imposing the expectation that a person with a perfectly normal healthy body must "really" be the other sex because they "think like" the other sex. That's gender role imposition.

WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. The body didn't create the problem. The solution is not to use technology to resolve the dissonance, the solution is to remove the dissonance by dissolving the artificial assignments of "gender".

Maybe,  It's a lot easier to give someone hormone therapy than to change society and the portrayal of gender though.

Without hormone therapy trans people tend to depression, due to the mismatch with hormone receptors, with hormone therapy the incidence of depression is greatly reduced.

Well, god knows we should just take the easiest route rather than trying to change what's actually wrong. 

[Adios]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

Right, but in biological anthropology you have to be careful about attributing differences to brain structure, because brain structure is highly mutable. The brains of people who were abused as children, for instance, are different from the brains of those who weren't. Using the logic you appear to be using, that would mean that the children caused themselves to be abused by virtue of having the brain structure of someone who is abused.

Right?

I don't believe that the brain structure of the transgendered person doesn't match their bodies. In fact, I think that's so absurdly stupid an assertion as to belong in the same realm as otherkin. I think, with my brain that is part of my body, that we have assigned sex to gender, and are falsely imposing the expectation that a person with a perfectly normal healthy body must "really" be the other sex because they "think like" the other sex. That's gender role imposition.

WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. The body didn't create the problem. The solution is not to use technology to resolve the dissonance, the solution is to remove the dissonance by dissolving the artificial assignments of "gender".

Maybe,  It's a lot easier to give someone hormone therapy than to change society and the portrayal of gender though.

Without hormone therapy trans people tend to depression, due to the mismatch with hormone receptors, with hormone therapy the incidence of depression is greatly reduced.

well, is it just a teensy weensy bit possible that the depression is a side effect of "social norm" pressures?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Especially at the expense of the healthy bodies of young men and women, who can simply be carved into the niches we want to force them into, and live marginalized lives of never being fully accepted, rather than appreciated as the healthy whole beings they already are.

And fuck gay marriage too... also, WTF with equal rights, emancipation, and suffrage?

TOO HARD

WHERE'S MY AMERICAN IDOL?

[Adios]

Especially at the expense of the healthy bodies of young men and women, who can simply be carved into the niches we want to force them into, and live marginalized lives of never being fully accepted, rather than appreciated as the healthy whole beings they already are.

And fuck gay marriage too... also, WTF with equal rights, emancipation, and suffrage?

TOO HARD

WHERE'S MY AMERICAN IDOL?

Gods forbid we cure the disease instead of treating the symptoms, ya know?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Especially at the expense of the healthy bodies of young men and women, who can simply be carved into the niches we want to force them into, and live marginalized lives of never being fully accepted, rather than appreciated as the healthy whole beings they already are.

And fuck gay marriage too... also, WTF with equal rights, emancipation, and suffrage?

TOO HARD

WHERE'S MY AMERICAN IDOL?

Gods forbid we cure the disease instead of treating the symptoms, ya know?

That might cause change, and change is BAD! Also, who would profit? We need to think about the bottom line, here.

[BabylonHoruv]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

Right, but in biological anthropology you have to be careful about attributing differences to brain structure, because brain structure is highly mutable. The brains of people who were abused as children, for instance, are different from the brains of those who weren't. Using the logic you appear to be using, that would mean that the children caused themselves to be abused by virtue of having the brain structure of someone who is abused.

Right?

I don't believe that the brain structure of the transgendered person doesn't match their bodies. In fact, I think that's so absurdly stupid an assertion as to belong in the same realm as otherkin. I think, with my brain that is part of my body, that we have assigned sex to gender, and are falsely imposing the expectation that a person with a perfectly normal healthy body must "really" be the other sex because they "think like" the other sex. That's gender role imposition.

WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. The body didn't create the problem. The solution is not to use technology to resolve the dissonance, the solution is to remove the dissonance by dissolving the artificial assignments of "gender".

Maybe,  It's a lot easier to give someone hormone therapy than to change society and the portrayal of gender though.

Without hormone therapy trans people tend to depression, due to the mismatch with hormone receptors, with hormone therapy the incidence of depression is greatly reduced.

well, is it just a teensy weensy bit possible that the depression is a side effect of "social norm" pressures?

If it were caused by social pressure then the hormone therapy wouldn't fix it.  Trans people on hormones are still trans, especcially M2F, without reconstructive surgery they generally don't look all that feminine.

[Kai]

Also, the very existence of the terms "trans" and "genderqueer" are based on the existence of sex-linked gender roles, which these parents are reinforcing.

Transexualism is actually a physical condition.  Trans people have hormone receptors in their brains that match the other sex.  They don't just identify as the other gender, they actually have the brain of the other sex (in many cases, not all)

I'm sorry, I think it's bullshit.

There's a fair amount of science backing it up.

I can link papers if you want but they tend to be pretty dry.

The physical brain structure is actually different between men and women and trans people have brains that are more similar to their identified sex than the sex indicated by their genitals.

Right, but in biological anthropology you have to be careful about attributing differences to brain structure, because brain structure is highly mutable. The brains of people who were abused as children, for instance, are different from the brains of those who weren't. Using the logic you appear to be using, that would mean that the children caused themselves to be abused by virtue of having the brain structure of someone who is abused.

Right?

I don't believe that the brain structure of the transgendered person doesn't match their bodies. In fact, I think that's so absurdly stupid an assertion as to belong in the same realm as otherkin. I think, with my brain that is part of my body, that we have assigned sex to gender, and are falsely imposing the expectation that a person with a perfectly normal healthy body must "really" be the other sex because they "think like" the other sex. That's gender role imposition.

WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. The body didn't create the problem. The solution is not to use technology to resolve the dissonance, the solution is to remove the dissonance by dissolving the artificial assignments of "gender".

GOD FUCKING AMEN HALELUJIAH! KILL THAT GENDER! DESTROY IT! FUCKING GENDER CAN GO DIE IN A HOLE!

LONG LIVE THE QUEERS! LONG LIVE THE QUEERS! LONG LIVE THE QUEERS!

[Adios]

BH, bullshit.

[BabylonHoruv]

How about we do both and work to threat the root cause while also treating the symptoms by giving hormone therapy (which is relatively cheap and harmless compared to things like genital reconstructive surgery or facial reconstructive surgery.)

[Kai]

How about we let people take hormones if they really want to, as no different than any other body modification, and at the SAME time, destroy gender categories completely? IT'S WIN WIN.

[Adios]

How about we let people take hormones if they really want to, as no different than any other body modification, and at the SAME time, destroy gender categories completely? IT'S WIN WIN.

Couldn't agree more. At the same time I struggle with the assumption that BH posited that genital or facial surgery is harmful.