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[Jenne]

Roger:  I'm not talking about land ownership.  I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican. 

So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash. 

The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.

That was WHEN? 

Okay.  If the American government tried to buy Baja California today, do you expect the Mexican government or Mexican people would fall all over themselves to sell?

They don't have to.  Guess how many US and international investors are there.  And guess how many professionals work both sides of the border.

Trust me, it may not be overt, and actually it IS if you know where to look, but the average everyday Mexican gets fucked over royally while any other Westernized citizen gets the royal treatment.

And the Mexican government is way ok with that.

That isn't what I asked.

[Jenne]

Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership.  I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican. 

So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership.  I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican. 

So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.

You said:

Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.

I was pointing out that there are things Mexico likes better than American cash.

[Jenne]

Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.

And that's MY take on it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.

And that's MY take on it.

Yep.  And Americans are all religious nuts and the British have bad teef.   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half.  Hearts are very tough.  You couldn't do this.  No.

[Jenne]

Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.

And that's MY take on it.

Yep.  And Americans are all religious nuts and the British have bad teef.   

I think I'm done here.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.

And that's MY take on it.

Yep.  And Americans are all religious nuts and the British have bad teef.   

I think I'm done here.

Okay, then switch and I'll haul on the other leg.

[Disco Pickle]

Roger:  I'm not talking about land ownership.  I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican. 

So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.

Not to sound combative but that's a bit of a simplified statement.

Despite watching for decades (70+ years) as the same political party fraudulently "won" elections and gave political favors to supporters of the party, the population at large made little effort to remove the PRI.

It's only been in the last few decades that there's been any real move to take PRI out of power and provide some level of check and balance that should have already existed given the system of government since the Revolution.  I think we'll see a lot more positive changes come about by having real competition in their political process and a very enthusiastic youth movement.  And foreign investment capital returning to the country after their last major crisis should be seen as a good thing.  

Change probably will happen slowly, but fixing nearly 3/4 of a century of systemic corruption at all levels of government is a lot to have to reverse.

[Cain]

Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half.  Hearts are very tough.  You couldn't do this.  No.

It's true.  All muscle and....blood.  Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.

[Disco Pickle]

Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half.  Hearts are very tough.  You couldn't do this.  No.

It's true.  All muscle and....blood.  Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.

Oh come on, she took that thing down like a champ, and it was a damn horse heart.  Probably could have used some hot sauce or something though.

that was a pretty brutal scene actually. 

[LMNO]

Brutal?  That was sexy as Hell.


Mrs LMNO and I had to turn the DVR off for a while so we could address some... circumstances... that "arose" after seeing that.

[Jenne]

Roger:  I'm not talking about land ownership.  I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican. 

So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.

Not to sound combative but that's a bit of a simplified statement.

Despite watching for decades (70+ years) as the same political party fraudulently "won" elections and gave political favors to supporters of the party, the population at large made little effort to remove the PRI.

It's only been in the last few decades that there's been any real move to take PRI out of power and provide some level of check and balance that should have already existed given the system of government since the Revolution.  I think we'll see a lot more positive changes come about by having real competition in their political process and a very enthusiastic youth movement.  And foreign investment capital returning to the country after their last major crisis should be seen as a good thing. 

Change probably will happen slowly, but fixing nearly 3/4 of a century of systemic corruption at all levels of government is a lot to have to reverse.

I didn't really make that qualitative of a statement on the American dollars being funneled into Mexico.  In point of fact, I've always been very PRO-American support of the Mexican economy.  For those who complain about Mexicans working "our jobs" over here, I've usually replied that I think we should do MORE to improve Mexico, so that it continues to improve.

Yes, I stated an oversimplification, but it doesn't remove the fact that the majority of Mexicans are still 1) poor 2) uneducated 3) malnourished, and that luxury items are still bought there cheaply by Americans, and luxury services are still obtained much more cheaply over THERE than they are HERE, and USUALLY at the expense of the very poor.  Even if they're not available, for whatever reason, to the average Mexican citizen on the street.

I think investment in Mexico is a great thing, a wonderful thing. And  I totally believe and know well that the corruption in Mexico's government is rife.  AND I totally think government, the drug cartels and big business IN Mexico is to blame for the continuing plight of the average Mexican Juan.

I'm frustrated that Roger characterized what I said as "all Mexicans want is $$$" because that's not what I meant.  I meant that your average hard-working yet still poverty-level guy in Mexico can't get in goods and services what your very-average American Joe CAN.  Because the powers that be in Mexico set it up that way.

What I meant by those who are disenfranchised by OUR states' laws and can't get what they want will come to Mexico to get it, and get it cheaper, than they can in Mexico, because though its own citizens might be denied access to it, unofficially and with the proper bribes, your average Westernized citizen won't.  Right now, there's plenty of our elderly and retirees down in Mexico getting cheap-ass (for us) premium health care at privatized hospitals.  Health care that would cost them tens to hundreds of thousands here.  They've made whole retirement communities along the Mexican coastline for this purpose.  You think the average Mexican "retiree" has the best health care they can get? 

Will someone PLEASE tell me where this, what I'm saying above, goes wrong?  Aside from the usual "you're making assumptions, blah blah"?  Living on the border as I do, and the amount of people I see who hail from Mexico proper, day to day, sort of makes me feel like I know this situation pretty fucking well.

Whatever.  I don't have time for this.  Right now, it seems:

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, Goddammit.