Idaho Woman Arrested and Charged with 'Unlawful Abortion'

[Wyldkat]

It makes NO sense.  Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.

Exactly.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It makes NO sense.  Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.

For reversible sterilization for both sexes to be a right, first it would have to exist. Unfortunately, sterilization methods currently known to medical science are not easily or predictably reversible.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

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Everything I set out to post in this thread fills me with so much rage and angst and desire to set things on fire that I get distracted from the essence of what I want to say.

Which is pretty much that this situation is so far wrong it mistakes a motorcycle for a rickshaw.

[Freeky]

From FB

You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.

Oh wait! No you don't.

I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.

So...  Force women to have babies so other people can adopt...  The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...

Riiight.

Yes, exactly. Not to mention the wisdom of handing a kid over to someone who views human beings as a commodity.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her. 

I was adopted.

[Freeky]

It makes NO sense.  Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.

For reversible sterilization for both sexes to be a right, first it would have to exist. Unfortunately, sterilization methods currently known to medical science are not easily or predictably reversible.

Didn't they just invent an easily reversible sterilazation technique for men?

[Wyldkat]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her. 

I was adopted.

I don't think the issue is with adoption, at least in my eyes it isn't.  My boys' godfather is adopted and if I ever wanted more than two children I would have adopted.  A girl I used to caretake for was part of a family of special needs kids adopted because the mother wanted to give children with special needs a loving home.  I've been a foster mom, unofficially I admit but the teenager was placed with me by CPS and she's still like a daughter to me in many ways.  The problem is that there are people out there who want kids and can't or won't have them, but will only take brand new babies when there are thousands of kids out there who need a loving forever home.

I don't know your story, but your birth mom made the choice to let you go to a family that could care for you.  Some mothers wouldn't be able to make that choice once they had the child so the choice is to abort or to keep the child.  If they know they can't manage a(nother) child for whatever reason then abortion makes sense, but the situation here is abhorrent.  She should have been able to go to a doctor and be taken care of during such a hard emotional time rather than resorting to what she did.  Beyond that she ought to have had the support network to take care of her during and afterwards so that she wouldn't have been left alone with no idea what to do after it happened.  I don't agree with the her choices after the fact, but at the same point I have never been in that situation and it was obviously a desperate choice and a desperate decision.  I have no idea what I would have actually done if I had been in her shoes in that state.

The whole story makes me sad that anyone would ever end up in such a horrid position from the get go.

[Luna]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her. 

I was adopted.

True.  However, if these parents that "really want a child" actually really wanted a child, they'd've adopted one already.  There are THOUSANDS of children in the system waiting.  The objection isn't to adoption, it's to the concept of forcing women to carry children to be adopted by people who have failed to adopt the kids who are already in need.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

From FB

You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.

Oh wait! No you don't.

I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.

So...  Force women to have babies so other people can adopt...  The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...

Riiight.

Yes, exactly. Not to mention the wisdom of handing a kid over to someone who views human beings as a commodity.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her. 

I was adopted.

I know a lot of people who were adopted and have great parents. But in this case I'm talking about those particular stupid little bitches.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It makes NO sense.  Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.

For reversible sterilization for both sexes to be a right, first it would have to exist. Unfortunately, sterilization methods currently known to medical science are not easily or predictably reversible.

Didn't they just invent an easily reversible sterilazation technique for men?

I don't know about one that's available. Link?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her. 

I was adopted.

True.  However, if these parents that "really want a child" actually really wanted a child, they'd've adopted one already.  There are THOUSANDS of children in the system waiting.  The objection isn't to adoption, it's to the concept of forcing women to carry children to be adopted by people who have failed to adopt the kids who are already in need.

Yes this! Thank you.

[Cain]

Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.

[Luna]

Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.

Very promising...

I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it...  Gentlemen?  Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?

[Cain]

To be honest, it would worry me more if the injections were directly into the penis.  The scrotum, not so much....but then again, I live in mortal dread of ever having children, since I'm far too irresponsible to ever bring one up.  So it seems a fair trade as far as I'm concerned.

[Don Coyote]

Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.

Very promising...

I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it...  Gentlemen?  Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?

Nope. If it were offered here I would gladly have it done.

[East Coast Hustle]

Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.

Very promising...

I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it...  Gentlemen?  Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?

A needle hurts for a couple seconds, which as I see it means you're actually saving at least 18 years of pain.