ATTN: LMNO PEE: I IZ TOO STOOPID TO "GET" AUTECHRE

[Doktor Howl]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Does it involve dogs playing poker?

[Telarus]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Quantum Superposition [wiki]: if it is possible for a physical system to be in some particular configuration, and if it is simultaneously possible for the system to be in a different configuration or configurations, then the system is in an indefinite state that is an overlapping of all of the possible configurations.

We now need to define 'system' and 'configuration' well enough for our purposes......

[Freeky]

I'm loling at how pretentious this thread is getting.

Freeky,
Not an intellectual, psuedo or otherwise.

[Doktor Howl]

I'm loling at how pretentious this thread is getting.

Freeky,
Not an intellectual, psuedo or otherwise.

This is just way too underground for you, Freeky.

[Doktor Howl]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Quantum Superposition [wiki]: if it is possible for a physical system to be in some particular configuration, and if it is simultaneously possible for the system to be in a different configuration or configurations, then the system is in an indefinite state that is an overlapping of all of the possible configurations.

We now need to define 'system' and 'configuration' well enough for our purposes......

Tell me that wasn't said with a straight fucking face.

[Freeky]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Quantum Superposition [wiki]: if it is possible for a physical system to be in some particular configuration, and if it is simultaneously possible for the system to be in a different configuration or configurations, then the system is in an indefinite state that is an overlapping of all of the possible configurations.

We now need to define 'system' and 'configuration' well enough for our purposes......

Tell me that wasn't said with a straight fucking face.

 

[Telarus]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Quantum Superposition [wiki]: if it is possible for a physical system to be in some particular configuration, and if it is simultaneously possible for the system to be in a different configuration or configurations, then the system is in an indefinite state that is an overlapping of all of the possible configurations.

We now need to define 'system' and 'configuration' well enough for our purposes......

Tell me that wasn't said with a straight fucking face.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

subjectively, it is and it isn't but objectively it isn't until everyone agrees that it is.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This thread has degenerated into sheer banal wankery.

[LMNO]

To be fair, it kind of started out that way, too.

[Don Coyote]

DIS FREAD GIVS ME 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

To be fair, it kind of started out that way, too.

Good point.

[Phox]

Hmmm.  An interesting question.

On this track, it appears that Autechre is working outside standard "song" structure, so we have to approach it in a different way.

Given that the first minute or so has a recognizable rhythm, which then seems to collapse into digitally distorted tone manipulation, it brings to mind nothing so much as Einsturzende Neubauten, and their "angry ambient/destroy the concept of music" style.  By what I can gather from Trip's post, they also appear to be fucking around with Aleatoric music a la John Cage (who was annoying people with electronics since the 50s).  Clearly, they are making no concessions to the majority of Western Music theory, be it formal or be it pop music.  That puts us firmly in the genre of "soundscape", which has arguably the broadest possible definition of music this side of said Mr Cage ("Music is intended Noise").

That's all fine and dandy, sure.  But it seems that the question is, "Should I like it, and why"?

Well, here's the secret: You don't have to like it.  It's just another band, trying to do something original.  But what I feel is more important is to clearly state why you don't like it, without an ad hominem attack.  You've got a lot to choose from with this track... There's no discernable melody, the rhythms are inconsistent and non-repetitive (even in the first "movement" (I hear at least three distinct sections here) the beats do not repeat exactly in standard time), and the tones themselves are overwhelmingly dissonant.

But the main complaint I have is that there is no "arc" to it.  I prefer my music to have some narrative structure, where (to put it in the basest terms) one set of noises has a relationship with another set of noises.  If, for example, the semi-rhythm of the first section was altered and re-introduced in the last section, it would (to me), make a more satisfying piece of music.

I will say, however, that if your friends can't explain to you exactly why they like it, then there's a distinct possibility that they are merely being pretentious.

Stopped reading after this post.

Excellent analysis, LMNO. [/fread]

[navkat]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Does it involve dogs playing poker?

Someone was bound to go there and it was bound to be you.

[navkat]

To be fair, it kind of started out that way, too.

IT DID NOT.

I really would like to know what the deal is with this track. Not all of us are musically trained and I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the matter. Ass.

Being able to say "I don't like it because there's no melody" is difficult to do. "Is that the reason I don't care for this? what else is it? Do I really not like it?"

I don't not like it...I don't like it but I'm not 100% able to say I dislike it (I don't think I dislike anything, actually) I don't "get" it. Maybe there's more to it and maybe there isn't. 

I was hoping you could...illuminate me.

I don't trust many semantically inclined, batshit-about-music, smart motherfuckers to tell me the fucking truth and I don't need some PBR-drinking, hornrimmed fuckhead in skinny jeans running around with a 8mm and a membership card to the amateur avant-garde filmmakers club of Mobile, AL to inform me that I don't comprehend that it's about form or some junk unless it's really that. Where am I supposed to go for the skinny on this, eh? Hipster runoff? RIGHT?

RIGHT???

GOD! Don't be such a jerk!

Jerk.