Occupy

[Doktor Howl]

It should get more intense just like everything else should get more intense.

There are things that should not get more intense. I suspect that a thing that currently involves newsmaking quantities of police brutality has a good argument for being intense enough as-is. Those who believe differently are welcome to volunteer their heads to be bashed in. One of the reasons I'm not in a tent city right now is that I value my head, and would like to keep it intact.

Jesus.  Enki just said something that's both UNDERSTANDABLE and COMMON FUCKING SENSE!

KNOW YE WELL THE SIGNS OF THE END TIMES!

But seriously, Enki here is riding the correct motorcycle.  Some things should NOT be more intense.  Hemmeroids, for example, are best when they are NOT intense.  Police beatings, as he points out, are best when half-hearted.  Hangovers are another example.

[Pope Hobohemian]

See, I may not be a "True Dischordian", so my opinion may not carry much weight, but it seems to me that I'm not - as a fake discordian - inclined to side with either the police OR Occupy.

Though I gotta say, their "general assemblies" have been nothing short of hilarious.  It's primate politics at its finest.

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

[Juana]

Have you *read* the last couple pages of this thread? Start here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30415.1155/msg,1157740.html

[Cain]

Also, lies.

Enrico is the physical manifestation of male authority in America.

[Cain]

Have you *read* the last couple pages of this thread? Start here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30415.1155/msg,1157740.html

What you fail to understand is that Pope Hobohemian here is a "really real Discordian" and he's here to show us the WAY and the LIGHT!

Actually paying attention to what people are saying might undermine that whole project.

[Phox]

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

Wait, what?

Are you trying to say that it is our Erisian duty to be adamantly opposed to the police, whether or not it actually serves a purpose? 

[Freeky]

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

You're looking at this all wrong.  The police aren't actually the manifestation of authority, they just enforce the authority's rules.  that's all they are, man, enforcers.   

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

1.  Direct democracy does not and never has worked.  It is an abomination.

2.  I think you have me confused with an "anarchist", which is an entirely different thing from a Discordian.  Being a good little Erisian, I do not make any distinction between order & disorder.  Both are part of chaos, and both have their place.   Right now, there's order for everybody, because the public has grown too gutless to be free.  All the occupy movement hilarity in the world won't help, because the problem isn't in the government or the corporations, the problem is in our heads.

ETA:  And what the fuck do I care if the heirarchy is male or female? 

[Oysters Rockefeller]

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

You're looking at this all wrong.  The police aren't actually the manifestation of authority, they just enforce the authority's rules.  that's all they are, man, enforcers.

That's a really good point. You can fuck with every last cop in the world, but even if some of them drop out, more are just going to show up. You gotta go in all sorts of other directions (inwards is the big one) to actually undermine authority in a legitimately helpful way. Or, that's just one man's opinion on the matter.

[Freeky]

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

1.  Direct democracy does not and never has worked.  It is an abomination.

2.  I think you have me confused with an "anarchist", which is an entirely different thing from a Discordian.  Being a good little Erisian, I do not make any distinction between order & disorder.  Both are part of chaos, and both have their place.   Right now, there's order for everybody, because the public has grown too gutless to be free.  All the occupy movement hilarity in the world won't help, because the problem isn't in the government or the corporations, the problem is in our heads.

ETA:  And what the fuck do I care if the heirarchy is male or female?

If the hierarchy were less male, there might not be as much VAJAJAYS ARE SCARRY! screed, and women peoples might not have such a hard time getting shit they need. 

[Phox]

But then wouldn't there b a ban on phallusususes, prostate exams, and mandatory vasectomies?

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Phox,
Thinking we need a female hierarchy now...

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

But then wouldn't there b a ban on phallusususes, prostate exams, and mandatory vasectomies?

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Phox,
Thinking we need a female hierarchy now...

It wouldn't help.
They'd make sure it was Michelle Bachmann, Taylor Swift, Newt Gingrich's android wife and the entire cast of The View.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I guess it's just that I look on Occupy as a physical manifestation of KLF.  I don't see it as something external to Occupy.  There has already been a lot of culture jamming going on. 

Occupy does (in a roundabout way) have its genesis in Adbusters, which is itself a culture-jamming organization (albeit one with a very well-defined ideology and a very shiny expensive magazine). So, yes, Occupy is related to culture jamming, involves culture jamming, is physical, and some of the culture jamming is presumably internal to rather than external to Occupy (whatever that means).

It should get more intense just like everything else should get more intense.

There are things that should not get more intense. I suspect that a thing that currently involves newsmaking quantities of police brutality has a good argument for being intense enough as-is. Those who believe differently are welcome to volunteer their heads to be bashed in. One of the reasons I'm not in a tent city right now is that I value my head, and would like to keep it intact.

The media is always going to label something as vandalism, and they push a dialectic where the vandalism = violence and that somehow justifies a violent response.  That's actually what we have already experienced at Oakland, not something that I would try to bring here.

Fair enough. 'Vandalism' corresponds to a wide range of actual events, and many of them are not worthy of violent retribution. The use of projection rigs on public walls, for instance, doesn't even involve repair costs.

What I would like is that if the "vandalism" was more along the lines of creative culture-jam ideas and less of the random stuff, I think it would actually make our case against the police a lot stronger in the long run as well as serve more usefully to spread our counter-propaganda.

See the postergasm thread(s) for (perhaps better-worded) ideas along these lines. Keep in mind, also, that this place is distinguished primarily by everyone violently disagreeing about everything, and so we have our fair share of internal propaganda and counter-propaganda, and black propaganda, and counter-counter-counter-propaganda. Don't expect anyone to necessarily agree with whatever it is you would like to promote. Expect many people to disagree with large quantities of verbal abuse, peppered with ad hominem attacks.

Wow, talk about misinterpreting cause and effect.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, I certainly don't want to replace our government with direct democracy.  People are too apathetic.  Even among occupy folks, most don't pay attention to the GA anymore.

But if you are a real discordian, and you don't see any reason to oppose the police, who are the physical manifestation of authority and male hierarchy here in America, I don't know what else to say

1.  Direct democracy does not and never has worked.  It is an abomination.

2.  I think you have me confused with an "anarchist", which is an entirely different thing from a Discordian.  Being a good little Erisian, I do not make any distinction between order & disorder.  Both are part of chaos, and both have their place.   Right now, there's order for everybody, because the public has grown too gutless to be free.  All the occupy movement hilarity in the world won't help, because the problem isn't in the government or the corporations, the problem is in our heads.

ETA:  And what the fuck do I care if the heirarchy is male or female?

If the hierarchy were less male, there might not be as much VAJAJAYS ARE SCARRY! screed, and women peoples might not have such a hard time getting shit they need.

Given that half of these bills in Arizona, for example, are sponsored by women, I'm going to argue that it's not a gender thing at all, but a general authoritarian thing.

[Doktor Howl]

Tripped across an H.L. Mencken quote:

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely,
one who likes his country more than the rest of us and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us
when he sees it debauched.  He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
- H. L. Mencken