I'll just leave this here....

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

But you don't trust anyone else to do the same.

I don't trust EVERYONE else to do the same. 

Because you're better than they are.

No, because reality shows there are some shitty parents in America who make shitty decisions.  Which means government is going to have to step in at some point.  I'd rather have them on the front end before the kids life is ruined.  

Sure.  And the obvious solution is to spend money incarcerating those kids when they do fuck up, instead of using the same money on prevention years ahead of time.  Because we must write laws for The Perfect State, and then make public examples of those who don't measure up.  It's easier than education, right?  Plus, it teaches the little bastards a little respect for The State.

Which is what the current system does, and it's the VERY THING that ruins the kids' lives.  What fucks a teenager up more, RWHN?  Smoking a joint or doing 5 years in the joint, and all the fun things that go along with a felony conviction?

[AFK]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

This is not the definition of a teetotaler, or otherwise known as being a straightedge kid in 1890.

It's my lazy-man definition of it so there.    You wanna fight tough guy?!?!?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

This is not the definition of a teetotaler, or otherwise known as being a straightedge kid in 1890.

He only drinks once in a while.  Which is totally different than similar moderation with pot.

Like I said, I smoke maybe twice a year. So far this year it's only been once.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

This is not the definition of a teetotaler, or otherwise known as being a straightedge kid in 1890.

He only drinks once in a while.  Which is totally different than similar moderation with pot.

Like I said, I smoke maybe twice a year. So far this year it's only been once.

Apparently, that rates going to prison and getting hep/HIV, etc.

For the children.

[AFK]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

But you don't trust anyone else to do the same.

I don't trust EVERYONE else to do the same. 

I have smoked with lots of parents... I have yet to smoke with any parent that did so with their child present. It's always been at adult parties or when the kids are not home/asleep. I can't say the same about parents that drink.

So, that thread I bumped in Apple Talk.  That was from a time I facilitated these little discussion groups with some high school kids down in Southern Maine.  I came in with some questions and asked them to share their thoughts and experiences.  The day we talked about marijuana I had a girl flat out tell me that she smokes marijuana and her mom can't do anything about it because she smokes marijuana too.  And if mom says anything, she'd be a flat out hypocrite.  

There will be some responsible but there will also be some not responsible.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Let me get this straight-

You agree that marijuana policy is arbitrary.
That alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana.
That you personally disagree with the legalization of marijuana because of what it does to kids.
But yet, you're cool with alcohol because it is legal, despite what it does to kids.
That your opinion on points three and four are backed up by data that you see everyday.

Again, if we're talking something like heroin, I'm with you. I just can't make sense out of your position.

I understand the position. Despite the arbitrariness, it fits his interests for it to be illegal, and he will support that position as long as it continues to be illegal. Once it is legal (and it probably will be, eventually), his position will switch to that of heavy regulation. It makes perfect sense. And while I don't agree with him, I really don't see anything illogical about his position either; he has no stake in criminalization of adult users, only underage use.

BINGO! 

So then why aren't the people in your line of work focusing on how to get to the eventual endgame in the safest way possible? I think most of the groups trying to legalize for medical or recreational would welcome 'experts' in your field because most of them are likely to agree with your position on children usage being bad. If voters continue to pass legalization in one form or another, it seems better for the kids if the experts are providing as much guidance as possible. Just say "NOOOOO" doesn't seem likely to work, it seems likely to reduce credibility.

IMO.

Well, we provide guidance to the legislators that first entertain the notion of passing medical marijuana.  And in Maine it wasn't approved by the legislature, it went to the voters.  So then there definitely were efforts to educate voters.  But it's hard to argue with a dying grandma with cancer.  I certainly wouldn't charge that windmill.  

But why argue with Grandma? Why not work with the people crafting the wording of whats getting voted on? Something like:

"We understand that this will help Grandma, however, to make sure we don't endanger Johnny and Lucy you might consider adding the following stuff Issue 420:"

followed by helpful guidance, based on experience about how to legalize while protecting children.

Don't charge the windmill, show it how to generate energy without killing birds. No windmill wants to kill birds

[The Good Reverend Roger]

There will be some responsible but there will also be some not responsible.

Obviously, the only solution is to toss people in prison and ruin their lives. 

So they'll be responsible.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

This is not the definition of a teetotaler, or otherwise known as being a straightedge kid in 1890.

It's my lazy-man definition of it so there.    You wanna fight tough guy?!?!?

No, I'm not that sort of drunken Irishman. Plus, the drive would be inconvenient.

[AFK]

Youth use is linked to family norms. 

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present. 

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

but if one argued that smoking a pinner of some schwaggy weed wasn't REALLY smoking pot, well, we'd still have to lock them up for the good of the children.

If they also committed a violent crime and/or were trafficking marijuana yes.  If not, they should be diverted from the jail or prison system.  

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

But you don't trust anyone else to do the same.

I don't trust EVERYONE else to do the same. 

I have smoked with lots of parents... I have yet to smoke with any parent that did so with their child present. It's always been at adult parties or when the kids are not home/asleep. I can't say the same about parents that drink.

So, that thread I bumped in Apple Talk.  That was from a time I facilitated these little discussion groups with some high school kids down in Southern Maine.  I came in with some questions and asked them to share their thoughts and experiences.  The day we talked about marijuana I had a girl flat out tell me that she smokes marijuana and her mom can't do anything about it because she smokes marijuana too.  And if mom says anything, she'd be a flat out hypocrite.  

There will be some responsible but there will also be some not responsible.

Well, yeah. As long as it remains illegal, she has that argument. A stupid argument, but one nontheless.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

If they also committed a violent crime and/or were trafficking marijuana yes.  If not, they should be diverted from the jail or prison system.  

How do you plan to do that?  The law says they go to fucking prison.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Youth use is linked to family norms.  

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present.  

But you don't trust anyone else to do the same.

I don't trust EVERYONE else to do the same. 

I have smoked with lots of parents... I have yet to smoke with any parent that did so with their child present. It's always been at adult parties or when the kids are not home/asleep. I can't say the same about parents that drink.

So, that thread I bumped in Apple Talk.  That was from a time I facilitated these little discussion groups with some high school kids down in Southern Maine.  I came in with some questions and asked them to share their thoughts and experiences.  The day we talked about marijuana I had a girl flat out tell me that she smokes marijuana and her mom can't do anything about it because she smokes marijuana too.  And if mom says anything, she'd be a flat out hypocrite.  

There will be some responsible but there will also be some not responsible.

Well, yeah. As long as it remains illegal, she has that argument. A stupid argument, but one nontheless.

Remember:  Anecdotes = Evidence.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Youth use is linked to family norms. 

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present. 

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

but if one argued that smoking a pinner of some schwaggy weed wasn't REALLY smoking pot, well, we'd still have to lock them up for the good of the children.

If they also committed a violent crime and/or were trafficking marijuana yes.  If not, they should be diverted from the jail or prison system.  

And instead get mandatory help for their 'addiction' while being subjected to peeing in a cup for the State for the next five years?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Youth use is linked to family norms. 

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present. 

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

but if one argued that smoking a pinner of some schwaggy weed wasn't REALLY smoking pot, well, we'd still have to lock them up for the good of the children.

If they also committed a violent crime and/or were trafficking marijuana yes.  If not, they should be diverted from the jail or prison system.  

Violent potheads!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Youth use is linked to family norms. 

Like watching old dad crack a beer.   

Yep.  Fortunately, the family norm in the WHN compound is that adult beverages are only consumed after the little WHNs are visiting the Sandman or at adult gatherings where children are not present. 

Also, one might argue that drinking an occasional Rolling Rock isn't really drinking beer.  (That's what beer snobs have told me anyway)

And when I say occassional I'm talking like once every other month.

RWHN,
Teetotaler extroardinaire

but if one argued that smoking a pinner of some schwaggy weed wasn't REALLY smoking pot, well, we'd still have to lock them up for the good of the children.

If they also committed a violent crime and/or were trafficking marijuana yes.  If not, they should be diverted from the jail or prison system.  

And instead get mandatory help for their 'addiction' while being subjected to peeing in a cup for the State for the next five years?

Do they get to keep their kids?