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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2011, 06:55:29 pm »
If you're saying that the majority of men are fucking idiots because they assume "boys wearing dresses = gay", then I agree with you.

Exactly. I don't think we should give any time for that argument, regardless of how many people think it.

Although, I'm pretty sure Ipt isn't making that argument, he's stating why that particular father would be mad.

Which could be considered preaching to the choir, but we shouldn't castigate him for reminding us that monkeys are, well, monkeys.

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2011, 07:12:04 pm »
correct.

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2011, 10:00:04 pm »
Here's a bit of anecdote:

Monkey likes to wear makeup.  I mean, I will put it on him and he won't rub it off, or he'll go and grab it himself and mess with it, saying "Pretty colors!  What's this color? (color name)" the whole time.  It is ADORABLE, and he looks pretty good with red eyeshadow, really.

I know for a fact that if his dad knew about this, he'd flip his fucking lid.  The ex is a bit of a homophobe, and I'm pretty sure he'd see that as a thing that will lead to monkey being gay.  

I think the point is, people who would think that are idiots, and this is empirical evidence, since we already know my ex is an idiot?  Or is that circular reasoning?
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As a neuroscientist I have to disagree with the perception that anyone is doing mathematical modeling of cognitive intelligence, yet; intelligence as an economist defines it, yes, but economists are worlds away from actual cognition.


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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #93 on: December 02, 2011, 09:13:43 am »
Is anecdotal evidence of "people who think this are idiots".

Is empirical evidence of "your ex is an idiot" (like we needed any more).
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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #94 on: December 02, 2011, 02:51:06 pm »
Is anecdotal evidence of "people who think this are idiots".

Is empirical evidence of "your ex is an idiot" (like we needed any more).

:lulz:  My bad. 
If someone does the Fine, youre right, Im clearly a terrible person, Im Satan, Im the worst person alive, I should just die thing in response to criticism of their harmful behavior, they are trying to manipulate people and flip the situation around so that they look like a victim.

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Although it is outside the purview of this organization to offer personal advice, we can say -- without assuming any liability -- that previous experience indicates (and recent market studies corroborate) that given the present condition of the marketplace, continuing with your present course of action is likely to result in substantial in

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2011, 03:49:37 pm »
It would be awesome if Mattel et al would come up with neuter/both boy AND girl makeup/doll/dress up sets.  Or if giving pink to a boy didn't signal in the West* a "mistake in gender identity."

*There's no "pink" taboo in my husband's family, and so maybe extrapolatable to his culture? because his favorite photo of himself as a baby is when his grandmother is holding him on a raspberry pink blanket while he's wearing a pastel pink sweatersuit and hat! ...NOT that I expect we'll see the mujaheds or Talibs in the region wearing Prince's raspberry berets, but one can hope, can't one?

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2011, 03:59:50 pm »
It would be awesome if Mattel et al would come up with neuter/both boy AND girl makeup/doll/dress up sets.  Or if giving pink to a boy didn't signal in the West* a "mistake in gender identity."

*There's no "pink" taboo in my husband's family, and so maybe extrapolatable to his culture? because his favorite photo of himself as a baby is when his grandmother is holding him on a raspberry pink blanket while he's wearing a pastel pink sweatersuit and hat! ...NOT that I expect we'll see the mujaheds or Talibs in the region wearing Prince's raspberry berets, but one can hope, can't one?

Maybe they're still operating under the "old" tradition of pink as a strong color.
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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #97 on: December 02, 2011, 04:01:59 pm »
It would be awesome if Mattel et al would come up with neuter/both boy AND girl makeup/doll/dress up sets.  Or if giving pink to a boy didn't signal in the West* a "mistake in gender identity."

*There's no "pink" taboo in my husband's family, and so maybe extrapolatable to his culture? because his favorite photo of himself as a baby is when his grandmother is holding him on a raspberry pink blanket while he's wearing a pastel pink sweatersuit and hat! ...NOT that I expect we'll see the mujaheds or Talibs in the region wearing Prince's raspberry berets, but one can hope, can't one?

Maybe they're still operating under the "old" tradition of pink as a strong color.

I think for babies, it just doesn't matter--as long as the clothes fit.  If you like the color and you're the baby's mom, you dress them however you want.  Makes sense.  Folks know each other so closely, they already know if you had a boy or a girl.  So there's no question about having to look at the color of bib, blanket or clothing to "guess"...you hear from your relative what gender the baby is, and that's that.

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #98 on: December 02, 2011, 04:04:17 pm »
Plus babies are such wrinkly pink monstrosities that there is no clear indicator of their sex when they're clothed.
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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #99 on: December 02, 2011, 04:05:48 pm »
Plus babies are such wrinkly pink monstrosities that there is no clear indicator of their sex when they're clothed.

Exactly, so if you know the mom, and you know the baby, you don't need the non-verbal marker of "boy" or "girl" that color scheme of baby paraphernalia would signal to you.

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2011, 04:37:29 pm »
Everyone who didn't know me always assumed EFO was a boy and MO was a girl, no matter what they were dressed in.

They were babies, it didn't matter. I'm fine with people calling babies "it", too, I don't know why people get all worked up over calling small children "it". They don't naturally start to differentiate until around four, anyway. We should just stick them all in dresses (pants on babies are FUCKING STUPID, who came up with that? Makes diaper-changing a huge PITA) until they're old enough to care.
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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #101 on: December 02, 2011, 05:21:12 pm »
Everyone who didn't know me always assumed EFO was a boy and MO was a girl, no matter what they were dressed in.

They were babies, it didn't matter. I'm fine with people calling babies "it", too, I don't know why people get all worked up over calling small children "it". They don't naturally start to differentiate until around four, anyway. We should just stick them all in dresses (pants on babies are FUCKING STUPID, who came up with that? Makes diaper-changing a huge PITA) until they're old enough to care.


As far as I'm concerned, they're barely human. I don't think of babies as people until they start speaking. Until then, they're well loved pets that have to be fed, cleaned, and walked every 2-4 hours.
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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2011, 05:26:03 pm »
that's kinda fucked up, Kai.
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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2011, 05:27:11 pm »
Everyone who didn't know me always assumed EFO was a boy and MO was a girl, no matter what they were dressed in.

They were babies, it didn't matter. I'm fine with people calling babies "it", too, I don't know why people get all worked up over calling small children "it". They don't naturally start to differentiate until around four, anyway. We should just stick them all in dresses (pants on babies are FUCKING STUPID, who came up with that? Makes diaper-changing a huge PITA) until they're old enough to care.


As far as I'm concerned, they're barely human. I don't think of babies as people until they start speaking. Until then, they're well loved pets that have to be fed, cleaned, and walked every 2-4 hours.

Ungh. Well, that's special, considering that infancy is one of the most rapid learning periods and that babies are making connections at an astonishing rate. They can usually understand a lot of language long before they can physically speak, too. This is one reason babies require so much interaction.

They're definitely not as fun as older children, but then, it's not like they're meant to be entertainment.

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Re: No wonder young girls don't get into science.
« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2011, 05:51:13 pm »
that's kinda fucked up, Kai.
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No, fucked up is treating them poorly. Fucked up is killing people for their skin color. Fucked up is making women second class citizens. Fucked up is corpse fucking.

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