Khore in the Chapel Perilous

[Triple Zero]

Oh, dear. 
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Hey at least this one's been giving us much more than the Totse2 guys

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, dear.  

Hey at least this one's been giving us much more than the Totse2 guys

Sadly, that's not saying much.

[Slurrealist]

Maybe it's the wrong topic, but whatever...
What's the difference between Chapel Perilous and schizophrenia?
Checking the various experiences from books and net sources, it seems the two processes share way too many similarities: they both have an elation phase, that quickly dissolves into a delusional state, and for both stares paranoiac symptoms are common( which can range from "they're controlling my thoughts
to "I hear a voice, order etc.")
Where the border lies between two states?
I see one difference - while in Chapel Perilous the person seems to retain some critical judgment about the situation, while the schizophrenic accepts the delusions without a back thought.
Also, is the Chapel Perilous a "Western" phenomenon or not? (I had never encountered Buddhist or Hindu accounts about spiritual states, and they do not have such dramatic reactions as the "Western" people. Maybe the I can e wrong, and this is why I am asking)
And another one: Is Chapel Perilous a part of every spiritual path, or is it the result of some mistake?

[Cramulus]

as I understand things,

schizophrenia is classified as a mental illness, it is the product of some abnormality about your circuitry
the chapel perilous is a mental state. A type of existential crisis.

though they're both a form of madness, you're talking about apples and oranges

And another one: Is Chapel Perilous a part of every spiritual path, or is it the result of some mistake?

I'd say neither

Some people end up in the chapel when they get too deep into the Chaos
But some people do go willingly into the Chapel -- like Khore here.

[Khore]

It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.

[Phox]

It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.

In light of the fact that English is not your first language, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Could you rephrase this idea? It makes no sense to me.

Dado que el Inglés no es su lengua materna, que le dará el beneficio de la duda. ¿Podría reformular esta idea? No tiene ningún sentido para mí.

[Khore]

It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.

In light of the fact that English is not your first language, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Could you rephrase this idea? It makes no sense to me.

Dado que el Inglés no es su lengua materna, que le dará el beneficio de la duda. ¿Podría reformular esta idea? No tiene ningún sentido para mí.

Is the power of the beliefs and the knowledge what takes you to the abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.

Es el poder de las creencias y el conocimiento diferente el que te lleva al profundo abismo.
No se de donde viene la información, es simplemente un mindfuck.
Es como tener fiebre, y después da igual como lo llamen a eso, porque mientras te está pasando no tiene cura.

[Reeducation]

What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?

[P3nT4gR4m]

What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?

... women are all whores who won't fuck him

[Reeducation]

What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?

... women are all whores who won't fuck him

Ah, okay.

[P3nT4gR4m]

What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?

... women are all whores who won't fuck him

Ah, okay.

To be fair. IF he has been to that place then he's probably still confused and trying to make sense of it. Can take a few years. if that's the case he's prolly not the best person to answer that question. 

[Reeducation]

What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?

... women are all whores who won't fuck him

Ah, okay.

To be fair. IF he has been to that place then he's probably still confused and trying to make sense of it. Can take a few years. if that's the case he's prolly not the best person to answer that question. 

There is also the possibility that he is, at this very moment, reading a book written by RAW and is actually quoting it as he goes on about his abyss/mindfuck.

Because that's basically what I did for a few times to my friends, when I first started to get into this wtfuckness.
Some of them were quite impressed.

It's a little harder here. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

You can't kid a kidder 

[Phox]

It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.

In light of the fact that English is not your first language, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Could you rephrase this idea? It makes no sense to me.

Dado que el Inglés no es su lengua materna, que le dará el beneficio de la duda. ¿Podría reformular esta idea? No tiene ningún sentido para mí.

Is the power of the beliefs and the knowledge what takes you to the abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.

Es el poder de las creencias y el conocimiento diferente el que te lleva al profundo abismo.
No se de donde viene la información, es simplemente un mindfuck.
Es como tener fiebre, y después da igual como lo llamen a eso, porque mientras te está pasando no tiene cura.

That's not really the sort of rephrasing I was talking about. Express the concept you are trying to get across in different terms. At this point, it seems like you are simply throwing words out that make what your saying sound deep and profound. If you can't express it some other way, well.... then I can only assume that you don't understand what you are talking about either.

Eso no es realmente el tipo de reformulación que estaba hablando. Expresar el concepto que está tratando de conseguir a través de diferentes términos. En este punto, parece que simplemente está lanzando palabras que hacen lo que su sonido diciendo profundo. Si no se puede expresar de otra manera, así .... entonces sólo se puede asumir que usted no entiende lo que estamos hablando de cualquiera.

[Lord Cataplanga]

I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.

I think what he means is that the origins of an idea are not relevant in the determination of its usefulness or even its truth value.

It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.

If whatever he experienced while he was in the abyss or wherever makes sense to him now, then it doesn't really matter if he was having a schizophrenic hallucination or a mystical experience.

Of course, he hasn't yet explained what exactly were the contents of his mindfuck.

Maybe I'm just putting words in his mouth, but hey, Hermeneutics is fun!