Transsexuality, Discordianism, and Self-confidence

[Phox]

heteronormative,

wat

Oh. In support of the enforcement of heterosexual norms. Sociological jargon, sorry. 

Sorta like Jews for Jesus?

Pretty much, yeah. 

[Triple Zero]

1. I can't bring myself to side with other queer people just because they are also queer. A lot of them are stupid assholes, just like every type of person.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but .. you're queer? How? Afaik you're a man in a heterosexual relationship?

(and in the case I'm not misunderstanding and this is too personal a question, that's okay too)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

1. I can't bring myself to side with other queer people just because they are also queer. A lot of them are stupid assholes, just like every type of person.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but .. you're queer? How? Afaik you're a man in a heterosexual relationship?

(and in the case I'm not misunderstanding and this is too personal a question, that's okay too)

Doesn't make him not queer.

He just has both sides of the menu to choose from.

[Phox]

1. I can't bring myself to side with other queer people just because they are also queer. A lot of them are stupid assholes, just like every type of person.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but .. you're queer? How? Afaik you're a man in a heterosexual relationship?

(and in the case I'm not misunderstanding and this is too personal a question, that's okay too)

I seem to recall Alty talking about relationships (or potential relationships) with males. IIRC.

Alty: Correct me if I'm wrong on that, dude.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

heteronormative,

wat

Oh. In support of the enforcement of heterosexual norms. Sociological jargon, sorry. 

Sorta like Jews for Jesus?

Pretty much, yeah. 

Sort of like:

"My <insert kink> isn't actually gay, because <insert rationalization>.  But all those <insert other kink> are fucking homos, and should all be thrown out."

Translation:  I am a self-loathing nitwit.

[BabylonHoruv]

heteronormative,

wat

Oh. In support of the enforcement of heterosexual norms. Sociological jargon, sorry. 

Sorta like Jews for Jesus?

Pretty much, yeah. 

Sort of like:

"My <insert kink> isn't actually gay, because <insert rationalization>.  But all those <insert other kink> are fucking homos, and should all be thrown out."

Translation:  I am a self-loathing nitwit.

She's a woman, who fucks men.  That's not gay.

Not saying she's not a complete nitwit.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

She's a woman, who fucks men.  That's not gay.

Not saying she's not a complete nitwit.

Never read the fucking UCMJ prior to the repeal of DADT, have you, you ignorant fucking corpsefucker?

Go away.

[Salty]

I am bisexual. I am in a monogamous relationship with a woman. I've had one serious relationship with a man that went very badly. I don't get along with men for the most part.
Most people who meet me for the first time (including every woman I've ever dated and their families) assume that I'm gay, many people I've known for years assume (and say to others) that I am in the closet. That is particularly weird because I've banged guys and never hid it from anyone, all my girlfriends have known this and never freak out. Guys on the other hand do NOT like that I am attracted to women at all.

I have a, uh, delicate disposition. It's not just that I don't do a lot of "male" things, things that society expects guys to do. It's my demeanor, my natural voice (which has a range), I'm just not very masculine. As arbitrary as it is, I do love the color pink. I have a lot of pink shit, it just boggles people's minds. An unexpected bonus is that it often gets me into conversations with ladies at bars.

I've had a lot of negative repercussions because of the way I am and it used to have an impact on how I live my life before I decided hiding was worse.

Also interesting is that when I lived in Germany none of this was a problem.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's not just that I don't do a lot of "male" things, things that society expects guys to do.

No volt meter.  That's what.

[Salty]

 

Apparently Pirate Hooker has one back home.
My selection of hand tools is also suspect.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

According to societal norms I am a total dude.

Tools? FUCK YEAH POWER TOOLS MOTHERFUCKER! GRINDY CUTTY THINGS WUT MAKES SPARKS. PRESSURIZED FUEL! DANGEROUS THINGS!

I am forthright and opinionated and I drink and swear and wear pants and and work pay my own bills and shit. Dude stuff.

I also am small, feminine, have long hair and tits and a uterus and am a mom and mostly like to sleep with guys and sometimes I like to wear perfume and makeup and jewelry.

This is why gender-pigeonholing is so stupid. My body is female; I'm a woman. And I do what I fucking want; it's really stupid to label power tools as "male" and makeup as "female" and everybody else should get to do what they want as well, without worrying about whether it makes them a "girl" or a "boy", in areas where it doesn't infringe on other people's rights.

If you want to pick a different pronoun from the one your genitals would otherwise assign you, that's fine, just let me know and don't attention-whore about it.

If everyone else felt more or less like this, shit would be a lot less problematic.

[Salty]

If everyone else felt more or less like this, shit would be a lot less problematic.

This.

I think there's been a shift away from this kind of pigeon holing in general.
People have to have a Thing, though.

It doesn't really matter if it's nationalism, religion, My Little Ponies, gender identity, the kind of car you drive/phone you use/etc and never shut the fuck up about, WoW. It's this Thing you do because...I don't know why.

According to societal norms I am a total dude.

That's where the problem is, not the people doing, but the ignorant people watching. It's their problem.

[Triple Zero]

Where in Germany were you? I'm guessing a big city? But yeah I suppose they are rather tolerant.

(Can't speak for the smaller rural places myself because 1 it's rather hard to get a good feel for those places unless you live there for a while and 2 even if I had, I bet you can't generalize over them at all)

[Kai]

There is seriously a very valid struggle in the subject of so-called "transgenderism" (which really deserves a more fitting name... I say we come up with one that doesn't imply crossing boundaries or transgression) but it's shit like this that makes me feel like we've been set back 20 years.

Thats why I just use "queer". It just indicates people who are different than the so called norms and just want to live as they feel comfortable, whether that means wearing skirts, pegging, or penis jousting. Or any number of other things. Alty is queer, I'm queer, Phox is queer, you're queer, Zenpeanut is queer, LMNO is queer (and a big, fabulous cowboy). Etc. If some people who call themselves "transgendered" are uncomfortable with being queer, it's probably because they've been spending all their time stuffing themselves in boxes and would rather lash out at allies and hide under a persona than just be themselves. I mean, deep down we all want the same thing, which is to be accepted for who we are. I speak from experience when I say that self identified transgenders in their uphill battle to put themselves in a box and become a stereotype, often fight the hardest against anything that might be considered transgressive just so they can be "normal". FUCK that.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There is seriously a very valid struggle in the subject of so-called "transgenderism" (which really deserves a more fitting name... I say we come up with one that doesn't imply crossing boundaries or transgression) but it's shit like this that makes me feel like we've been set back 20 years.

Thats why I just use "queer". It just indicates people who are different than the so called norms and just want to live as they feel comfortable, whether that means wearing skirts, pegging, or penis jousting. Or any number of other things. Alty is queer, I'm queer, Phox is queer, you're queer, Zenpeanut is queer, LMNO is queer (and a big, fabulous cowboy). Etc. If some people who call themselves "transgendered" are uncomfortable with being queer, it's probably because they've been spending all their time stuffing themselves in boxes and would rather lash out at allies and hide under a persona than just be themselves. I mean, deep down we all want the same thing, which is to be accepted for who we are. I speak from experience when I say that self identified transgenders in their uphill battle to put themselves in a box and become a stereotype, often fight the hardest against anything that might be considered transgressive just so they can be "normal". FUCK that.

I agree completely! Really well put.