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Transsexuality, Discordianism, and Self-confidence

Started by Zenpeanut, December 14, 2011, 07:54:36 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#105
December 16, 2011, 03:43:17 AM
TRAGIC MOMENTS IN THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY:

Matthew Shepard gets beaten to death because of his sexual orientation.

Harvey Milk gets shot to death because of his sexual orientation.

Zenpeanut has to use the men's room.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#106
December 16, 2011, 03:49:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 03:43:17 AM
TRAGIC MOMENTS IN THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY:

Matthew Shepard gets beaten to death because of his sexual orientation.

Harvey Milk gets shot to death because of his sexual orientation.

Zenpeanut has to use the men's room.


:horrormirth:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#107
December 16, 2011, 03:50:17 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 03:49:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 03:43:17 AM
TRAGIC MOMENTS IN THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY:

Matthew Shepard gets beaten to death because of his sexual orientation.

Harvey Milk gets shot to death because of his sexual orientation.

Zenpeanut has to use the men's room.


:horrormirth:

Took me all damn day to pin down the part that was bugging me.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#108
December 16, 2011, 03:52:31 AM
There is seriously a very valid struggle in the subject of so-called "transgenderism" (which really deserves a more fitting name... I say we come up with one that doesn't imply crossing boundaries or transgression) but it's shit like this that makes me feel like we've been set back 20 years.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#109
December 16, 2011, 03:54:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 03:52:31 AM
There is seriously a very valid struggle in the subject of so-called "transgenderism" (which really deserves a more fitting name... I say we come up with one that doesn't imply crossing boundaries or transgression) but it's shit like this that makes me feel like we've been set back 20 years.

Well, yeah.  It's the plaintive cry of the entitled 21st century citizen, who feels that life is really fucking hard on him because, well, he needs it to be so he can be all like "LOOK AT MEEEEEEE".

Seriously.  Kids in Africa don't have it as bad.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#110
December 16, 2011, 03:55:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 03:50:17 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 03:49:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 03:43:17 AM
TRAGIC MOMENTS IN THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY:

Matthew Shepard gets beaten to death because of his sexual orientation.

Harvey Milk gets shot to death because of his sexual orientation.

Zenpeanut has to use the men's room.


:horrormirth:

Took me all damn day to pin down the part that was bugging me.

Yep.

This isn't even a case of diminishing the lesser evil, because it's a non-hardship.

"Hey, I'm gonna be a girl now"

"OK, but it's gonna take a few months of everybody getting used to it before you can switch to the women's restroom".

"BAWWWWWW DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!"

FFS.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#111
December 16, 2011, 03:57:59 AM
Every once in a while, the shitpuddle guy at Borders would clog up the floor drain and overflow the toilet and dance around in a pool of his own shit.

When that happened the men had to use the ladies room.

Nobody cared, except for the poor fucker who had to clean the men's room. Which was, at least half the time, a chick. Having to clean shitpuddle's filth out of the men's room... THAT was a hardship.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Freeky

#112
December 16, 2011, 07:11:59 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 16, 2011, 03:57:59 AM
Every once in a while, the shitpuddle guy at Borders would clog up the floor drain and overflow the toilet and dance around in a pool of his own shit.

When that happened the men had to use the ladies room.

Nobody cared, except for the poor fucker who had to clean the men's room. Which was, at least half the time, a chick. Having to clean shitpuddle's filth out of the men's room... THAT was a hardship.

THAT sounds goddamn horrible, and is one of the reasons I could never ever ever be any kind of janitor, because other people's bodily fluids gross me out to such a degree that I become paralyzed with vomiting. 

I can't even stand my own body functions about a quarter of the time. 

Juana

#113
December 16, 2011, 07:36:25 AM
Eughk. HAZMAT. CALL THEM.
"I dispose of obsolete meat machines.  Not because I hate them (I do) and not because they deserve it (they do), but because they are in the way and those older ones don't meet emissions codes.  They emit too much.  You don't like them and I don't like them, so spare me the hysteria."

Salty

#114
December 16, 2011, 08:50:02 PM
1. I can't bring myself to side with other queer people just because they are also queer. A lot of them are stupid assholes, just like every type of person.

I do agree that the violence and unjust discrimination is wrong, serious, and should be dealt with.
But..

2. Is it too simple to say that the problem is stupid people? It's not even some big, evil male patriarchal conspiracy. I know plenty gay dudes who, aside from being stupid assholes, are simply ignorant of trans issues or, hell, feminist issues. This problem with gender and sex is deep and the more it is fractured and divided the more difficult it is to fix.

It seems to me that it is a monstrous, constant battle against morons which is best fought together. Every little snowflake has their little pet issues, I could go on at extraordinary length about my own. But men and women and trans people, gay straight blah blah, who are fighting injustice is fighting the same enemy. It would be nice if we could act like it.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Salty

#115
December 16, 2011, 08:52:49 PM
OH! And pride vs self confidence.

Self-confidence is a valuable asset and it can be developed, shaped, reworked. It goes the distance and makes things happen. Pride is useful but limited. I've always seen it as a rally cry. In the end it definitely seems to be a shallow tool of the ego.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Phox

#116
December 16, 2011, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: Alty on December 16, 2011, 08:50:02 PM
1. I can't bring myself to side with other queer people just because they are also queer. A lot of them are stupid assholes, just like every type of person.

I do agree that the violence and unjust discrimination is wrong, serious, and should be dealt with.
But..

2. Is it too simple to say that the problem is stupid people? It's not even some big, evil male patriarchal conspiracy. I know plenty gay dudes who, aside from being stupid assholes, are simply ignorant of trans issues or, hell, feminist issues. This problem with gender and sex is deep and the more it is fractured and divided the more difficult it is to fix.

It seems to me that it is a monstrous, constant battle against morons which is best fought together. Every little snowflake has their little pet issues, I could go on at extraordinary length about my own. But men and women and trans people, gay straight blah blah, who are fighting injustice is fighting the same enemy. It would be nice if we could act like it.
Yup, that's exactly the thing. It all boils down to stupid people. I know a particularly interesting case of the stupid. Trans woman. In the military. Against the repeal of DADT. It just... boggles... the... fucking... mind. (she is incredibly heteronormative, you see).  

The Good Reverend Roger

#117
December 16, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Phox

#118
December 16, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:54:47 PM
heteronormative,

wat
Oh. In support of the enforcement of heterosexual norms. Sociological jargon, sorry.  :lol:

The Good Reverend Roger

#119
December 16, 2011, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 16, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 08:54:47 PM
heteronormative,

wat
Oh. In support of the enforcement of heterosexual norms. Sociological jargon, sorry.  :lol:

Sorta like Jews for Jesus?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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