Legalize prostitution

[Luna]

Trip, I do understand cultural differences. I worked with (and shared classes with) a wide variety of foreign students at the university.  We had visiting professors from all over the world, including a Middle Eastern professor who refused to deal with any of the women in HR.  If any of us told him something he didn't want to hear, or couldn't give him what he demanded, he cut off the conversation and went to the university president.

However, even HE did not waltz in and publicly classify all women as "bitches" (he edited both the post and the thread name) who won't fuck him, "whores" who will only fuck him for money, the chattel of other men who he can't fuck, and, oh, ONE female friend who won't fuck him, either.

He doesn't want a solution, he wants the freedom to fuck among the bitches, whores, and chattel. Which, until he pulls his head out of his ass, makes him part of the problem.

[hirley0]

Kind of ex

8:28 COULD NOT FIND THE OTHER LEXy so this instead


so all my Spanish will be the Google Translate type.


No estoy diciendo que esto es bueno, pero sé que cuando tengo mucho tiempo sin una amiga de mi cabeza va más divertido y me pongo a imagen realmente posibles compañeros en un sentido estratégico. No es intencional, es sólo que hablando pura frustración, sobre todo cuando encontramos situaciones sociales difíciles, en el mejor de los casos. No puede haber un montón de angustia ligada a ella, especialmente si usted cae en la trampa de un socio dispuesto sexual como la validación de su ser un ser humano que vale la pena.

Estoy mejor en llamarme a mí mismo en él ahora, y evitar esa forma de pensar, pero sin duda no se presta a la más racional de las visiones del mundo. ¿Cuál es el punto que estoy poco a poco de llegar a - Khore es, probablemente, en términos de desarrollo de una visión que a la mayoría de nosotros no es irritante y dolorosa, al instante, mejor desarrollo de sí mismo como una persona, interactuando con las chicas en un nivel platónico y obtener sólo que la experiencia poco de vida extra que se traducirá en marcha "awww mierda 'cuando golpes a alguien esto en un año.

No puedo hablar español así que toda mi español será del tipo Google Translate.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Basically this guy is a socially awkward sex-starved teenage idiot. He either will or will not grow out of his stupidity.

Even the most socially awkward and unattractive people can find other socially awkward and unattractive people to mate with. Where there is often a disconnect is when the socially awkward and unattractive people desire the socially adept and beautiful people, and are angry that the world is so "unfair" that it won't let them have them. Then you end up with antisocial prats like Khore making up fantasy utopias in which the pretty popular girls will fuck them.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Basically this guy is a socially awkward sex-starved teenage idiot. He either will or will not grow out of his stupidity.

Even the most socially awkward and unattractive people can find other socially awkward and unattractive people to mate with. Where there is often a disconnect is when the socially awkward and unattractive people desire the socially adept and beautiful people, and are angry that the world is so "unfair" that it won't let them have them. Then you end up with antisocial prats like Khore making up fantasy utopias in which the pretty popular girls will fuck them.

It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.

[LMNO]

Also, after observing some of the catchphrases that encapulsate his current viewpoint:

Al Crowley/OTO/Golden Dawn =/= Discordianism.   And to be honest, he really does sound like a sex-deprived thelemite.

[EK WAFFLR]

It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.

I think that particular subtype of humans is a global phenomenon.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, after observing some of the catchphrases that encapulsate his current viewpoint:

Al Crowley/OTO/Golden Dawn =/= Discordianism.   And to be honest, he really does sound like a sex-deprived thelemite.

The best thing about Magicktards is that the very thing they think will make them interesting to women actually removes them from the gene pool forever.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.

I think that particular subtype of humans is a global phenomenon.

I'm gonna say it's a first/second world problem.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, after observing some of the catchphrases that encapulsate his current viewpoint:

Al Crowley/OTO/Golden Dawn =/= Discordianism.   And to be honest, he really does sound like a sex-deprived thelemite.

The best thing about Magicktards is that the very thing they think will make them interesting to women actually removes them from the gene pool forever.

It's true!

[hirley0]

Kind of

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[EK WAFFLR]

It's nice to know that the fat basement dwelling misogynist isn't a strictly American phenomenon.

I think that particular subtype of humans is a global phenomenon.

I'm gonna say it's a first/second world problem.

That would be mora accurate.

[Freeky]

I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.

I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.

I wouldn't go that far.

But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.

Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus." 

I'm fairly certain I never, ever hit on you.

You didn't have to.  That's just how you come off.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I read it as not just sex, but women as a commodity.

I may be being overly judgemental, but I think this one is worse than I am.

I wouldn't go that far.

But he fairly clearly is a shitheel who doesn't view women as individual human beings.

Yeah, Khore or w/etf is just a complete douchebag and doesn't make me feel, in text form, like he's got his hand on my leg while talking to me about sex and uses the word "coitus." 

I'm fairly certain I never, ever hit on you.

You didn't have to.  That's just how you come off.

Fact.  When BH posts, everything feels all greasy & shit.  And not in a good way.  He reminds me of the kind of person that always finds excuses to bump up against people, etc.

[Phox]

Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.

Then you are way, WAY overgeneralizing in the OP and elsewhere. It reads like you apply that to all women, all the time. The OP, in particular, is full of that sort of thing. BTW, I'm a girl.


Entonces usted es muy, muy generalizar demasiado en la OP y en otros lugares. Se lee como se aplica a todas las mujeres que, en todo momento. El OP, en particular, está llena de ese tipo de cosas. Por cierto, yo soy una chica.

Benefit of the doubt time.  Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."

I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it.  They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical.  When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.  

On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment.  It really could go either way.



Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."

He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.

Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.

Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.

Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.

This... is slightly more troublesome. I am trying to extend you the benefit of the doubt, here. However, when you make statements ;like "for me, sex is as necessary as eating", my initial response is best left unsaid. Further... sex is most certainly not a commodity, but you seem to be consistently returning to that idea.

Este ... es un poco más problemático. Yo estoy tratando de extender el beneficio de la duda, aquí. Sin embargo, al hacer declaraciones, como "para mí, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer", mi respuesta inicial es mejor que no se dijeron. Más ... el sexo es sin duda no es una mercancía, sino que parecen estar siempre de volver a esa idea.

I am saying that sex could be exchangeable for money, only sex. In a capitalist society if it was well seen in a society for me this would be great for all. More sane society when prostitutes are everywhere and you can fuck when you want, and is allowed by the society.

Is inevitable that people like me, unadaptable persons to girls and society couldnt fuck. This is injust for me and for others like me. I want fuck too. This is crazy or retard? i dont know but i want, too, enjoy your party with other rules, my rules and rituals to fuck.

Imposition of order is equal to escalation of chaos. If you dont allow me to fuck, prostitutes and clients will be breeds by me and others like me and the new consensus with the new rules of the game.


Im an unicorn in this society!

Okay, chuckles. You really are trying to bat one in, aren't you? Well, here's the thing. If you are "unadaptable", and you can't fuck because of it... well, kid. It ain't nobody's problem but yours. You sticky up your mitt as much as you want, but if you can't gget laid by anyone you ain't paid, then that's solely on you, pal.

Bueno, se ríe. Que realmente están tratando de batear uno, ¿no? Bueno, aquí está la cosa. Si son "inadaptables", y usted no puede coger porque de ... así, chico. No es problema de nadie, sino la tuya. Le pega hacia arriba su guante, como todo lo que quieras, pero si usted no puede gget colocar cualquiera que no se paga, entonces eso es sólo en usted, amigo.

I feel I need to add something, over here in the Netherlands, especially in my city, we get a lot of foreign exchange students, most of them from all over Europe. I think you'd be surprised to learn about the rather large cultural difference that can be found in an area that is only 60% of the size of the USA. What I see especially with girls from Southern European countries (Greece, Spain, Romania, to name a few), come here with a surprisingly low self-esteem (but only in some senses) and some rather peculiar and old-fashioned ideas about the roles of men and women in dating and relationships. And being foreign exchange students that means they're 1) higher educated. 2) at least 18+ 3) somewhat more independent than average, so I'm guessing that the teenage girls Khore deals with can't be much different.

That doesn't make those ideas right, of course. I'm just pointing out that our Western emancipation isn't to be taken for granted everywhere in the world or even Europe.

And from what I'm seeing, firstly Khore is perceiving that status quo in his environment as something that isn't right and should be dissected and de-constructed. Especially considering he's a teenager. Except the way he's chosen to approach this is wrong and attacking the situation from the wrong angle, because it is not rooted in equality between men and women, especially about not considering females as the same kind of persons like everybody else (which is another not very surprising but still wrong conclusion a teenager can come to IMO).

I see it kinda similar to how a teenager can see all the problems with government and politics and then come to the conclusion that Anarchy is a great idea (fairly sure many of us went through a phase like that). Although it is of course not a great idea, it doesn't mean the teenager is irredeemably stupid, but in a positive light can also be considered an early form of Think For Yourself Schmuck, someone who doesn't consider the status quo as set in stone but sees the problems and tries to imagine alternatives.

So I'd focus less on the "misogynistic fucktard" bashing and rather take the chance to show Khore the right alternatives to fucked up social situations.

Siento que tengo que añadir algo, por aquí en los Países Bajos, especialmente en mi ciudad, tenemos una gran cantidad de estudiantes extranjeros, la mayoría de ellos procedentes de toda Europa. Creo que te sorprenderá saber acerca de la diferencia cultural más grande que se puede encontrar en un área que es sólo el 60% del tamaño de los EE.UU.. Lo que yo veo sobre todo con las niñas de los países del sur (Grecia, España, Rumania, por nombrar algunos), vienen aquí con una baja autoestima es sorprendente (pero sólo en algunos sentidos) y algunas ideas bastante peculiar y anticuada sobre la roles de hombres y mujeres en citas y relaciones. Y siendo los estudiantes extranjeros de intercambio que significa que son 1) mayor educación. 2) por lo menos 18 + 3) un poco más independiente que el promedio, así que supongo que las ofertas de las adolescentes con Khore no puede ser muy diferente.

Eso no tiene las ideas correctas, por supuesto. Sólo estoy señalando que nuestra emancipación occidental no se da por sentado en cualquier parte del mundo o incluso de Europa.

Y a partir de lo que estoy viendo, en primer lugar Khore es percibir que el status quo en su entorno como algo que no es correcto y debe ser disecada y de construcción. Especialmente teniendo en cuenta que es un adolescente. Excepto el camino que ha elegido para abordar esto es un error y atacar la situación desde el ángulo equivocado, porque no se basa en la igualdad entre hombres y mujeres, especialmente acerca de no tener en cuenta las mujeres como el mismo tipo de personas como todo el mundo (que es otra no conclusión muy sorprendente, pero se equivoca todavía era un adolescente puede llegar a la OMI).

Yo lo veo un poco similar a cómo un adolescente puede ver todos los problemas con el gobierno y la política y luego llegar a la conclusión de que la anarquía es una gran idea (bastante seguro de que muchos de nosotros pasó por una fase similar). A pesar de que por supuesto no es una gran idea, eso no quiere decir que el adolescente es irremediablemente estúpido, pero en una luz positiva también se puede considerar una forma primitiva de pensar por ti mismo Schmuck, alguien que no tiene en cuenta el statu quo tal como se en piedra, sino que ve los problemas y trata de imaginar alternativas.

Así que me centrarse menos en la "fucktard misógino" contundente y no tener la oportunidad de mostrar las alternativas Khore derecho a jodido situaciones sociales.

000, I dig where you're coming from, and honestly, I ain't all that surprised. I am treating this one like "stupid fucking teenager" instead of "irredeemable shitneck misogynist". Which, as has been said, may or may not be a curable condition. And hell, I've been downright civil, for me. 

000, comprendo que usted está viniendo, y honestamente, no es lo único que sorprende. Estoy tratando éste como "adolescente estúpido" en lugar de "misógino irremediable cuello mierda". Que, como se ha dicho, puede o no puede ser una condición curable. Y el infierno, he estado completamente civil, para mí.

[BabylonHoruv]

The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.

Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively  as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.

Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.

I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.

Prostitutes that are in the better end of prostitution (in as much as it can have a better end, but I am talking about Bunny Ranch or Escort ads in alternative newspaper types as opposed to streetwalkers) have the option of refusing customers, just as any other professional does.  It's not sex without choice.  That doesn't keep it from being dehumanizing and degrading, but it is an important distinction.