Legalize prostitution

[Placid Dingo]

In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.

Oh my sweet fucking Christ, that is retarded. Seriously, how old are you?

¿Cuántos años tienes?

Sorry, but in my enviroment this is totally normal to think. We are not free yet.

Didn't answer my question.

No has respondido a mi pregunta. ¿Cuántos años tienes?

I do not want my age distorts your perception about me.

But your age is highly relevant to this.

es muy importante para esto.

I don't think so, but i will say that i am a teenager.

I don't agree with the piece but I can imagine myself coming out with something this dissociated from reality when I first started really questioning the things I'd been taught. Sex is a typical starting point when reconsidering what you know about the universe because it's got all the elements; it's controversial, bohemian, relevant etc.

It feels like you've had a typical jump in thinking; X is treated as BAD so let's assume its good. Sex is vilified so we should promote it. Prostitution is regarded as negative so let's look at it as a positive. It doesn't really work though because both sex and prostitution are more complex.

Khore I would suggest, specifically that you chat to a close female friend (or make one) about sex; your thoughts on women's motivation, enjoyment etc of sex seems completely outside the realms of reality. Keep writing and discussing ideas, but be willing to modify and reject them, because despite your piece not having a lot of credibility, you seem to at least be thinking, and that's a start.

[The Johnny]

In reggueton subcultures, car modding and other ghetto related or traditionalist contexts, im sure most have those ideas.

En subculturas como el regueton, o de tuning de coches, y otros contextos relacionados a las clases bajas o tradicionalistas seguramente tienen las mismas ideas

While living in a competitive society we will all have to act as prostitutes or pimps at one time or another i think. In essence we are nothing, i dont know if i say in the main text that in essence we are empty.

Theres a big difference between using prostitution as a metaphor for surviving by doing something you dont want to do and the gender issues you brought up along with your "free sex" utopia.

Hay una gran diferencia entre usar la prostitucion como una metafora de que uno tiene que sobrevivir haciendo algo que no quiere que las cuestiones de genero que trataste junto con tu utopia de "sexo gratuito".

[Khore]

Hahaha, we all are mercenaries, like prostitutes, in this system, except if your work is your true vocation. And just what I wanted to say is that the real work of many women is prostitution, realize it or not. Come on, is not going to be a troll but just look how the world works in many instances, the true pulse of the people, there is much hysteria in the environment. Maybe my libido is very high and has a lot of "anger" inside...

Placid Dingo you are right in a lot of aspects, but i cant talk with a woman about this honestly because I would lose her confidence and kindness immediately.

Joh'Nyx, you are right. But free sex with love is what all of us must get. Maybe now is a utopia. Is what I mean because you can not by love, but you can with money. And they freely take advantage of it for the benefit of all.

Maybe prostitutes should be subsidized by the state for the benefit of the health of all people. Ugly or retarded too. Because if you can have free sex, love and food and water you can be at least happy. Already have the minimum to live well.

[Khore]

And Eris is a crazy bitch, come on

[Placid Dingo]

That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.

But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.

[Pæs]

What Joh'Nyx said. If you're using prostitution as a metaphor for mercenary behaviour, don't then discuss actual prostitution as an example of mercenary behaviour in terms of your metaphorical prostitution.
I'm not even going to try to translate that mouthful into Spanish.

i cant talk with a woman about this honestly because I would lose her confidence and kindness immediately.

That should be your first clue.

[Khore]

That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.

But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.

You are right again, i need to improve my social habilities with womens. Womens are much simple and complex, and fully of contradictions too. I have upset. But i say that i can need help, I need a girlfriend but nobody will help me, unless i am a cocoon with them. I can not predict their movements. All evade its social responsibility to me. And i fell indifference with humanity now. Like Eris. Real stuff here. Some women for me, are like Eris. They hurt me. Eris is why I bow to her, I can only serve that what is powerful and incomprehensible to me.

Surely the whole business of women, for me, is a fucking confusion.

[Phox]

That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.

But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.

You are right again, i need to improve my social habilities with womens. Womens are much simple and complex, and fully of contradictions too. I have upset. But i say that i can need help, I need a girlfriend but nobody will help me, unless i am a cocoon with them. I can not predict their movements. All evade its social responsibility to me. And i fell indifference with humanity now. Like Eris. Real stuff here. Some women for me, are like Eris. They hurt me. Eris is why I bow to her, I can only serve that what is powerful and incomprehensible to me.

Surely the whole business of women, for me, is a fucking confusion.

So, you claim that you don't understand how women think and/or how to socialize with them on any level other than as an enigma? So, serious question, do you view women as objects or people? Do they have emotions? Are these emotions similar or dissimilar from those of men?


Por lo tanto, usted afirma que no entiende cómo piensan las mujeres y / o la forma de relacionarse con ellos en cualquier nivel que no sea como un enigma? Por lo tanto, la pregunta seria, ¿no ven a las mujeres como objetos o personas? ¿Tienen emociones? Son estas emociones similares o diferentes a las de los hombres?

(I really do hope that we are communicating properly across the language barrier, I realize that Google Translate is not at all suitable for conversation, but for the moment, it is all I have to fill in about seven years of lapse. I apologize.)

(Yo realmente espero que nos estamos comunicando correctamente a través de la barrera del idioma, me doy cuenta de que Google Translate no es del todo adecuado para la conversación, pero por el momento, es todo lo que tiene que llenar en siete años de caducidad. Pido disculpas. )

[Khore]

That still only works if you assume men only get something out of sex, and women only get something out of whatever you're saying men give them for sex.

But it doesn't work like that. Men and women like love. Men and women like sex. Men and women give each other help, stuff and emotional support.
Your argument is flawed by a simple fact; people are complex. Sex ties into emotion, and that adds complication. Khore, women talk about sex with guy friends, in the right circumstances. I think you really might need just to talk to women more, about anything. It doesn't sound like you do.

You are right again, i need to improve my social habilities with womens. Womens are much simple and complex, and fully of contradictions too. I have upset. But i say that i can need help, I need a girlfriend but nobody will help me, unless i am a cocoon with them. I can not predict their movements. All evade its social responsibility to me. And i fell indifference with humanity now. Like Eris. Real stuff here. Some women for me, are like Eris. They hurt me. Eris is why I bow to her, I can only serve that what is powerful and incomprehensible to me.

Surely the whole business of women, for me, is a fucking confusion.

So, you claim that you don't understand how women think and/or how to socialize with them on any level other than as an enigma? So, serious question, do you view women as objects or people? Do they have emotions? Are these emotions similar or dissimilar from those of men?


Por lo tanto, usted afirma que no entiende cómo piensan las mujeres y / o la forma de relacionarse con ellos en cualquier nivel que no sea como un enigma? Por lo tanto, la pregunta seria, ¿no ven a las mujeres como objetos o personas? ¿Tienen emociones? Son estas emociones similares o diferentes a las de los hombres?

(I really do hope that we are communicating properly across the language barrier, I realize that Google Translate is not at all suitable for conversation, but for the moment, it is all I have to fill in about seven years of lapse. I apologize.)

(Yo realmente espero que nos estamos comunicando correctamente a través de la barrera del idioma, me doy cuenta de que Google Translate no es del todo adecuado para la conversación, pero por el momento, es todo lo que tiene que llenar en siete años de caducidad. Pido disculpas. )

I see them like robots, they have emotions, feelings, etc, but in my enviroment they do not know a shit, and dont want to learn my things or my reality tunnel. I dont know much, but fuck im a discordian! This suppose that at least i could be funny. They are catholics and normal, and blabla, not are crazy like me... you know? open mentality is the best option, and they are histerical but not open to new... kind of information. And I have phobia of them because I give love to them and then they try to "kill my soul", my operating system, they fucked my brain a lot, i am traumatized of them and is my fault too. So now i am to serve to Eris. To the godess. Fuck the system, fuck me, fuck everything, with love too. And they do the same boring things again and again. I want sex, with love. With passion, with some liberty. Y want liberty, and where i see a lot of posibilities, they do not see nothing. I want to change all, they cant see anything. They serve to the machine and they can not see the Iron Prision. This metaphor are very useful but is like the metaphor of the barstool. But, they dont know... and they dont experience the reality like me because they have other beliefs (is ok, other reality tunnel), and know other things, and at the end, they experiment a reality that i disavowal! because is boring. You can´t talk with a woman of my enviroment of anything new than the weather, and of other girls or other kind of boring thing. I want rock until the night! Damnit.

PD: This is only with some girls, not with all. Others are like Aneris or Harmonia, and are more previsible and comfortable for my mind (and these are my friends which i can't fuck). In short, I want to know them but in my experience is that if I give myself to know I'm going to break, and that has me upset. But if they are released, and I hate, I did not wreck, I just keep quiet because I respect them. This issue will drive me crazy (still more crazy and convoluted), because you can not spend your entire life without sex as your body and mind asks for sex.

[Phox]

I see them like robots, they have emotions, feelings, etc, but in my enviroment they do not know a shit, and dont want to learn my things or my reality tunnel. I dont know much, but fuck im a discordian! This suppose that at least i could be funny. They are catholics and normal, and blabla, not are crazy like me... you know? open mentality is the best option, and they are histerical but not open to new... kind of information. And I have phobia of them because I give love to them and then they try to "kill my soul", my operating system, they fucked my brain a lot, i am traumatized of them and is my fault too. So now i am to serve to Eris. To the godess. Fuck the system, fuck me, fuck everything, with love too. And they do the same boring things again and again. I want sex, with love. With passion, with some liberty. Y want liberty, and where i see a lot of posibilities, they do not see nothing. I want to change all, they cant see anything. They serve to the machine and they can not see the Iron Prision. This metaphor are very useful but is like the metaphor of the barstool. But, they dont know... and they dont experience the reality like me because they have other beliefs (is ok, other reality tunnel), and know other things, and at the end, they experiment a reality that i disavowal! because is boring. You can´t talk with a woman of my enviroment of anything new than the weather, and of other girls or other kind of boring thing. I want rock until the night! Damnit.

You are using the qualifier "in my environment" a good deal. So, are your views of women in general or simply of those with whom you have regular contact?

Está utilizando el calificativo de "en mi entorno" a menudo. Por lo tanto, son sus puntos de vista de las mujeres en general o, simplemente, de aquellos con quienes tiene contacto regular?

[East Coast Hustle]

It seems to me that you are essentially saying: "I am socially awkward around women and ALL OF THEM need to change to fit what I wish they were."

I hope you can see the inherent flaws in that way of thinking.

Me parece que usted está diciendo básicamente: ". Yo soy socialmente torpe con las mujeres y todos ellos deben cambiar para adaptarse a lo que me gustaría que fueran"

Espero que puedan ver los defectos inherentes a esa forma de pensar.

[Khore]

I see them like robots, they have emotions, feelings, etc, but in my enviroment they do not know a shit, and dont want to learn my things or my reality tunnel. I dont know much, but fuck im a discordian! This suppose that at least i could be funny. They are catholics and normal, and blabla, not are crazy like me... you know? open mentality is the best option, and they are histerical but not open to new... kind of information. And I have phobia of them because I give love to them and then they try to "kill my soul", my operating system, they fucked my brain a lot, i am traumatized of them and is my fault too. So now i am to serve to Eris. To the godess. Fuck the system, fuck me, fuck everything, with love too. And they do the same boring things again and again. I want sex, with love. With passion, with some liberty. Y want liberty, and where i see a lot of posibilities, they do not see nothing. I want to change all, they cant see anything. They serve to the machine and they can not see the Iron Prision. This metaphor are very useful but is like the metaphor of the barstool. But, they dont know... and they dont experience the reality like me because they have other beliefs (is ok, other reality tunnel), and know other things, and at the end, they experiment a reality that i disavowal! because is boring. You can´t talk with a woman of my enviroment of anything new than the weather, and of other girls or other kind of boring thing. I want rock until the night! Damnit.

You are using the qualifier "in my environment" a good deal. So, are your views of women in general or simply of those with whom you have regular contact?

Está utilizando el calificativo de "en mi entorno" a menudo. Por lo tanto, son sus puntos de vista de las mujeres en general o, simplemente, de aquellos con quienes tiene contacto regular?

Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.

It seems to me that you are essentially saying: "I am socially awkward around women and ALL OF THEM need to change to fit what I wish they were."

I hope you can see the inherent flaws in that way of thinking.

Me parece que usted está diciendo básicamente: ". Yo soy socialmente torpe con las mujeres y todos ellos deben cambiar para adaptarse a lo que me gustaría que fueran"

Espero que puedan ver los defectos inherentes a esa forma de pensar.

I'm very stubborn, maybe that has saved me from having become really crazy in the Chapel Perilous. I never get used to behaviors or things that hurt me, I find obscene or insane. If I can not adjust to them to reproduce (to have children), then I have to change them. Try to show my reality tunnel so they can understand how I feel and what I see, I have to make them see what I see. As an artist, to avoid "war" and "death" or pain, in my case to avoid stay alone all my life. But for that I have to find a good partner, and there are no discordian girls, or related to me, and I do not attempt to "blame the other and forget about my own responsibility", actually here there are no strange people with which to share my interests.

[LMNO]

Benefit of the doubt time.  Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."

I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it.  They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical.  When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.  

On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment.  It really could go either way.



Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."

He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.

Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.

[Khore]

Benefit of the doubt time.  Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."

I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it.  They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical.  When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.  

On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment.  It really could go either way.



Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."

He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.

Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.

Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.

Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.

[Placid Dingo]

Kind of expanding on LMNO's point (but losing focus a little)

I'm not saying this is good, but I know when I have a long time without a girlfriend my head goes funny and I start to really picture potential mates in a strategic sense. It's not intentional, it's just that sheer frustration talking, especailly when I find social situations awkward at the best of times. There can be a lot of angst tied in with it, especially if you fall into the trap of regarding a willing sexual partner as validation of your being a worthwhile human being.

I'm better at calling myself on it now, and avoiding that mindset, but it certainly doesn't lend itself to the most rational of worldviews. Which is the point I'm slowly getting to - Khore is probably in terms of developing a view that to most of us is not instantly grating and painful, better off developing himself as a person, interacting with girls on a platonic level and just getting that bit extra life experience that will result in going 'awww fuck' when somebody bumps this in a year.

I can't speak Spanish so all my Spanish will be the Google Translate type.


No estoy diciendo que esto es bueno, pero sé que cuando tengo mucho tiempo sin una amiga de mi cabeza va más divertido y me pongo a imagen realmente posibles compañeros en un sentido estratégico. No es intencional, es sólo que hablando pura frustración, sobre todo cuando encontramos situaciones sociales difíciles, en el mejor de los casos. No puede haber un montón de angustia ligada a ella, especialmente si usted cae en la trampa de un socio dispuesto sexual como la validación de su ser un ser humano que vale la pena.

Estoy mejor en llamarme a mí mismo en él ahora, y evitar esa forma de pensar, pero sin duda no se presta a la más racional de las visiones del mundo. ¿Cuál es el punto que estoy poco a poco de llegar a - Khore es, probablemente, en términos de desarrollo de una visión que a la mayoría de nosotros no es irritante y dolorosa, al instante, mejor desarrollo de sí mismo como una persona, interactuando con las chicas en un nivel platónico y obtener sólo que la experiencia poco de vida extra que se traducirá en marcha "awww mierda 'cuando golpes a alguien esto en un año.

No puedo hablar español así que toda mi español será del tipo Google Translate.