Your Own Personal Fidel Castro™

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I don't like beads or puns.  Or even Star Wars.

YOU MONSTER! 

[East Coast Hustle]

Y'know, this is stupid and pointless.

I think RWHN should get pledged.

[AFK]

Yes, when someone else told you it was okay to believe me, you believed me, well them.  You have just captured the dynamic that, I believe, is hurting this place very beautifully.  As did TGRR by falsely accusing me of saying something that someone else said.  Lack of respect.

But I'm sorry that my poking you has apparently caused some additional stress on the board.  It was not intentional.  No, on a personal level, I don't dig you.  But I will make a better effort to not let that effect the board.

It would be great if you and TGRR could take some similar steps when you disagree with me.  

[East Coast Hustle]

For what it's worth, I still don't believe you, I just believe that Kai believes he has no reason to not believe you.

Though I'm sure that people make the leap to your current supposed position from where you were working when I met you all the time. <----(sometimes personal attacks and valid points are not mutually exclusive)

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Every single one of us has at some time attacked someone else directly and on a personal level here on this board.  There is no sugarcoating it with "Oh I mean this" or "I was attacking their idea/behavior".  The fact is we've all done it and the sooner everyone realizes we've all played a part in the clusterfuck the sooner we can reach a way to fucking fix it.  There is no one person or persons to blame in any of this it is each and every one of us.  

In the meantime with the he said she said they said bullshit all that has happened is the drama is in full swing, yet again, as usual.

I've done it and I'll be the first to step up to the plate and say I have.  

There is not going to be any kind of fix until the mentality is changed.  Until we can afford each other (not n00bs, not the fucking idiots who hit and run us or the many versions of poptard) but each other the respect we each deserve as evolved bi-peds then nothing is going to change.

Nature abhors a vacuum and we have allowed ourselves to become a giant fun sucking one!  

So, I'm droppping my stone and I strongly suggest the rest of you do the same, glass is fucking expensive, both emotionally and mentally.

[East Coast Hustle]

DAMMIT, THIS IS HARD.

FOCUS, ECH. FOCUS.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

RWHN. PLEDGE. YOU CAN DO IT. AND SO SHOULD MOST EVERYONE ELSE.

[AFK]

For what it's worth, I still don't believe you, I just believe that Kai believes he has no reason to not believe you.

Though I'm sure that people make the leap to your current supposed position from where you were working when I met you all the time. <----(sometimes personal attacks and valid points are not mutually exclusive)

I dunno if this is relevant but when you posted this your post count read: -23cents. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yes, when someone else told you it was okay to believe me, you believed me, well them.  You have just captured the dynamic that, I believe, is hurting this place very beautifully.  As did TGRR by falsely accusing me of saying something that someone else said.  Lack of respect.

But I'm sorry that my poking you has apparently caused some additional stress on the board.  It was not intentional.  No, on a personal level, I don't dig you.  But I will make a better effort to not let that effect the board.

It would be great if you and TGRR could take some similar steps when you disagree with me.  

I had no choice but to take Kai's word that you had actually stated what your degree was. Had you stated it publicly I would also have had no reason to disbelieve you, but you refused to. That was, in fact, the only thing I asked you, was a direct statement of what your actual training and/or degree was. I became doubtful when you refused to state it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

DAMMIT, THIS IS HARD.

FOCUS, ECH. FOCUS.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

RWHN. PLEDGE. YOU CAN DO IT. AND SO SHOULD MOST EVERYONE ELSE.

Holy shit, you're right! I got sucked in.

PLEDGE.

[Scribbly]

I've put a lot of thought into things, based on the 10 points thread.  It seems that I – or we – are simply not living up to the expectations of others.  We – some of us, anyway – are not the kind of people that decent folk want to associate with.  We are abrasive.  We are unpleasant.  We are the reason that the economy is in the shitter, why volcanoes erupt, and we signed Taylor Swift to a recording deal.

Okay, I can live with that.  I have no problem being the villain, if that is what people feel they must have, to form a complete community.  I can only speak for myself, of course, but seeing as how I cannot seem to live up to your high expectations, I shall endeavor to live down to your low expectations.  Indeed, I shall do so with a clear conscience, for three reasons:

One:   If you're gonna say it, I may as well do it.  Granted, some of you haven't said so in as many words, but Nigel and I being at fault seems to be the default position with just about everyone.  I am unsure whether this is intentional, or some fucked up attempt to be "fair & balanced", nor do I care.

I've said it a lot in the other thread, I'll say it again here just because; I don't think your impression of what people think they 'must have' is accurate. Everyone respects you. I think most people respect Nigel (I know I sure do). I do think you are too quick to believe everyone is banding together to attack you, or paint you as the villain. I think if you look over it, objectively, you have far more supporters than detractors, and even your detractors aren't saying 'zomg Roger is the cancer that is killing PD'.

Two:  I am often told that I am not meeting expectations, in one way or another, yet I am never told what those expectations are, and indeed when I ASK, I am told that I am being a dick and that I should just forget it, etc.  I will not wear myself out trying to attain an impossible standard, so I certainly won't drive myself batty trying to live up to a classified one.

We were talking about standards in general in the other thread; like it or not, a lot of your ten thoughts boil down to standards of what is acceptable. For my part, I feel I stated what I'd like to see fairly plainly. I'd like discussions to focus on ideas rather than individuals. That's all. I can't speak for anyone else, but that is what I would like to see at PD, and what would help me work up the energy to post more often.

Three:  A few of you decided that Nigel had to be included in this.  In fact, there have been references to "The Nigel and Roger Show", and "rogerandnigel.com".  It has in fact been hinted that one problem with the board is that we post too much.  Not that nobody else is posting, mind you, but that WE post too much.  Nigel and I have both reacted to this in different ways.  I will let her discuss her way if she so pleases...Contrary to popular myth, we are in fact two discreet people, not twins conjoined at the bile duct.  That being said, it's really fucking hard to express how angry it makes me when this sort of shit occurs.  RWHN, in particular, felt that this would be a good way to hurt Nigel, the same way he once commented on her love life  "No wonder your relationships always fall apart".  If a comment like that is permissible, if behavior like the above is acceptable, then I guess there are NO FUCKING LIMITS, ANYWHERE.  This works for me.

Disco Pickle is a giant cock (<--- personal attack) and that's already been dealt with so...

Nigel, thanks for posting those examples. They gave me a laugh, and they help illustrate how it can be difficult to tell the difference; but also where it isn't.

Now, I have come in the last couple of months to accept that RWHN isn't what I always thought he was.  He is, it turns out, a bit of a shitneck who has stated that we are his "entertainment", so I can hardly hold anyone else responsible for the bits of scum that splatter out of his mouth from time to time.  

But while he is an overt dickhead, he's hardly the only one who has cast me – and to some extent Nigel – as partners in crime, in the default bad guy in any and all situations (I have in fact been accused of ruining threads in which I never even posted, a feat that amazes the fuck out of me and one of which I didn't think myself capable).

Please see above I guess. Whilst you may have your detractors, I think you are overstating the general 'anti Roger & Nigel' feeling on the board. Because I don't think that feeling exists. I think almost everyone likes you guys.

So, to hell with it.  What I was doing wasn't working anyway.  Nobody was listening any fucking way.  There's no point trying to point at the elephant in the living room, if all people are going to do is holler at you, right?  So, while PD may not be your personal army, I will from here on out be your personal Snidely Whiplash, your Dick Cheney, your Osama Bin Ladin, and your Barack Obama.  I shall fulfill all of your persecution needs.  I may have to make a demo tape, to further advertise my services ("Whether you need a government destabilized, or just have an opponent's hand cut off, look no further!").

It always makes me a little bit irritated when you say things like the bolded. You've been set off by people (apparently) casting you to unrealistic standards. I can appreciate that you feel what was happening wasn't working; but I've done my best to listen, and hear, and engage. MOST people here have, I'd bet. I did my damned best to try and engage with the ten points you made, too. As did Twid, and LMNO, and in fact, almost everyone posting in the thread. You pointed at the elephant in the room. We tried to go 'holy fuck look at that thing'. Then it all got derailed into, well, this. And now nobody was listening.

I don't know if there was any point to posting the above. I'm exhausted, and it seems like any good that could have come out of the afternoon's drama is going to be swallowed up in personal affront and upset instead.

Oh well.

Forget it. It's PD, Jake.

[Disco Pickle]

Yeah, that quip to Nigel was from me, even if that's not (possibly) the exact wording I used, that was the gist of it.  I immediately felt shitty about hitting post much less typing it and apologized but the damage was done.

Not my proudest post here, but I did it and RWHN shouldn't be saddled with my phallic tendencies. 

That being said, it's not that I dislike you Nigel, and I don't remember the context of the thread, you just rubbed me the wrong way and I decided to throw some shit. 

That was actually the post that made me decide to cut back on posting anything at all, because I do not behave that way in person and don't want to do so here anymore, behind a computer monitor.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And here we go with the exaggerated nonsense.  Right on cue.  You do this a lot.  I think the point I was making was pretty clear which is that I come here for fun now vs. content.  To anyone who is objective, that means that I'm not coming here anymore to write rants or essays on BIP or treatises on Shrapnel.  My head is not into that anymore, not here.  But, I still like to come and hang out, have fun, be entertained.  

No, but you and Nigel have taken this to mean that I'm coming here to be entertained by the drama and shenanigans.  Nope.  I find that rather dull and boring because it's the same show over and over again.  Same plot, different characters.  

And as I've said I still hang around because of the relationships I've forged.  Yes, I don't have especially great relationships with either you or Nigel but I think there are some pretty self-evident reasons for that.  My personality really doesn't jive with yours.  I doubt we'd hit it off all that well if we ever met IRL.  We just aren't the type of folks who mix.  But, there's nothing wrong with that on either end of that equation.  It takes all kind of course.  

But anyway, I really must protest attaching my name to this quote about Nigels relationships falling apart.  It just isn't the kind of thing I would say, because as I said, it's not something I follow because I don't care.  

Well, I apologize for putting Disco Pickles' words in your mouth.  I remembered incorrectly, and probably should have checked even without the benefit of our sterling search feature.  My bad, entirely.

That being said, you're still an asshole based on the other things I said, which I am in no means uncertain of.

[AFK]

There, can we now change the OP to reflect this change?  I mean, it's the decent thing to do, right?  

[AFK]

And here we go with the exaggerated nonsense.  Right on cue.  You do this a lot.  I think the point I was making was pretty clear which is that I come here for fun now vs. content.  To anyone who is objective, that means that I'm not coming here anymore to write rants or essays on BIP or treatises on Shrapnel.  My head is not into that anymore, not here.  But, I still like to come and hang out, have fun, be entertained.  

No, but you and Nigel have taken this to mean that I'm coming here to be entertained by the drama and shenanigans.  Nope.  I find that rather dull and boring because it's the same show over and over again.  Same plot, different characters.  

And as I've said I still hang around because of the relationships I've forged.  Yes, I don't have especially great relationships with either you or Nigel but I think there are some pretty self-evident reasons for that.  My personality really doesn't jive with yours.  I doubt we'd hit it off all that well if we ever met IRL.  We just aren't the type of folks who mix.  But, there's nothing wrong with that on either end of that equation.  It takes all kind of course.  

But anyway, I really must protest attaching my name to this quote about Nigels relationships falling apart.  It just isn't the kind of thing I would say, because as I said, it's not something I follow because I don't care.  

Well, I apologize for putting Disco Pickles' words in your mouth.  I remembered incorrectly, and probably should have checked even without the benefit of our sterling search feature.  My bad, entirely.

That being said, you're still an asshole based on the other things I said, which I am in no means uncertain of.

I love you too tough guy!   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I appreciate it, Demolition Squid. Thank you.

I suspect that people often think that passionate, outspoken people with strong opinions and strong voices are somehow unfeeling megaliths or cartoons with no human emotions, which is why they feel completely free to say and do fucked-up shit to them like call their workplace or their parents or call them names or tell them that they deserve whatever they might be suffering.

Somewhat horrifically, the opposite is usually true; passionate people often feel things ruinously keenly, which is why they are so passionate and outspoken in the first place, and why what seems like a minor slight to others may get magnified to outsized proportions.

Whatever whatever sad music everybody cries.