Uncomfortable Topics: Uncomfortable Topics.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I don't really talk about beadmaking or art. I mean, I mention it if something gets me all worked up, but I pretty actively avoid most conversations about "art" because they're mostly wanky douchery. God, can you imagine if I was always trying to start inflammatory threads about art?  If that ever happens, I hope someone will come to my house and dash my brains out with a rock.

I talk about work sometimes, but mostly just the monkeyfuckers I work with.

You tell stories about work. Usually really really ones.

[East Coast Hustle]

Hell, I fucking LOVE my job and am literally almost 100% immersed in it when I am on the ship working and I still don't think it's all that interesting to talk about here. I'm almost always happy to have a generic culinary discussion, but I spend most of my time working so why would I want to spend my free time rehashing it with people who probably don't give a shit anyway?

[AFK]

Here's the thing Roger.  I work in this field called substance abuse prevention.  So, I talk about it.  Just like others on this board start thread on topics related to their fields of work/study/interest.  That op-ed came across my desk, I thought it was interesting, so I posted it.  I think your paranoia is in overdrive today.

It's only paranoia if nobody's out to get you.

Now, let me just puke this out, and I'm gonna let the subject - and the vitriol - drop.

I don't believe you are a troll or an idiot, as someone said above.  For years, I got all happy in my pance when I saw a new thread from you.  "In the end, he had to be wheeled out" is in my opinion in the top 5 things ever posted on this board in its entire history.

This, however, has been replaced by repetitive arguments in which neither you nor the other members will budge.  If nobody has in three threads, they aren't going to now.  Add to that the beginning of the last two threads..."I'll just leave this here", and the obvious animosity with Nigel, and you can't call it anything BUT trolling.

Again, I don't consider you an idiot or a troll, but what I DO think is that right now you are trolling idiotically - notice the subtle difference.  It's not what you ARE, it's what you're fucking DOING. 

What's pissing me the fuck off is that you are capable of amazing fucking writing and conversation, and you're diddling around with rehashed bullshit, and needling at least one of your fellow freaks.  You are a SUPERIOR MUTANT, and it's high time you remembered that.  Or not.  You can be a rock n roller again, or you can do what you've been doing.  I can't control that...But you CAN.

That's all I have to say.  Take it for what it's worth, and do as you see fit.  I'm done with it.

TGRR
Rock n roll never forgets.

I don't think I've forgotten anything.  My life is different now, even those short few years ago when I wrote that piece you referenced.  And I really don't feel I go out of my way to needle anyone who hasn't needled me in some manner.  I suppose I can hold a grudge like anyone, and when I was publicly labeled a fraud, and then other people started to latch on to that idea, yeah, it really rubbed me the wrong way, and it still pisses me off.  But, I have made a concerted effort as of late to avoid to the best of my ability those personalities, for the good of the board.  It is why I started that thread without comment.  It wasn't to start hostilities, it was a hope to avoid them by not injecting my opinion on the piece. 

I'm not an AKK, a Lamanite, a Laz.  I'm Rev. goddamned What's-His-Name?  And I'm just as rock and roll, nay, Metal as I've ever been. 

I've been an active part of this community for 7 years now.  I think my contributions warrant a little more benefit of the doubt than what gets thrown the way of someone like Dead Kennedy.  But, if I'm going to be tossed with that lot because I vigorously hold my ground in a debate, if I am going to be falsely accused of plagiarism and stealing from other members, why the fuck should I bother writing those kinds of pieces?  What's the point?

But I hang around because of relationships I've developed over the years.  There are friends here I'm not really ready to cast aside, so I hang around.  But, I just don't feel as motivated as of late to dig down and put that kind of stuff out.  My life is busy, at work and at home.  I don't always have the Mental Space I really need to be able to draw that kind of material out.  I don't even really feel the Pun that much lately.  But, I'm also pretty happy with my life.  I have a secure job.  I'm not drowning in debt.  I have a gorgeous wife and a couple of awesome kiddos.  So lately I'm more about the mirth.  That's why I wrote that, unfortunately, controversial piece.  It is where I am, it is where I want to be, and if I can, I want to take others there. 

RWHN,
There Will Be Nonsense!

[Faust]

Athiesm.

[Richter]

Athiesm.

Like communists and anarchists, I don't believe atheists exist.

[East Coast Hustle]

Here's the thing Roger.  I work in this field called substance abuse prevention.  So, I talk about it.  Just like others on this board start thread on topics related to their fields of work/study/interest.  That op-ed came across my desk, I thought it was interesting, so I posted it.  I think your paranoia is in overdrive today.

It's only paranoia if nobody's out to get you.

Now, let me just puke this out, and I'm gonna let the subject - and the vitriol - drop.

I don't believe you are a troll or an idiot, as someone said above.  For years, I got all happy in my pance when I saw a new thread from you.  "In the end, he had to be wheeled out" is in my opinion in the top 5 things ever posted on this board in its entire history.

This, however, has been replaced by repetitive arguments in which neither you nor the other members will budge.  If nobody has in three threads, they aren't going to now.  Add to that the beginning of the last two threads..."I'll just leave this here", and the obvious animosity with Nigel, and you can't call it anything BUT trolling.

Again, I don't consider you an idiot or a troll, but what I DO think is that right now you are trolling idiotically - notice the subtle difference.  It's not what you ARE, it's what you're fucking DOING. 

What's pissing me the fuck off is that you are capable of amazing fucking writing and conversation, and you're diddling around with rehashed bullshit, and needling at least one of your fellow freaks.  You are a SUPERIOR MUTANT, and it's high time you remembered that.  Or not.  You can be a rock n roller again, or you can do what you've been doing.  I can't control that...But you CAN.

That's all I have to say.  Take it for what it's worth, and do as you see fit.  I'm done with it.

TGRR
Rock n roll never forgets.

I don't think I've forgotten anything.  My life is different now, even those short few years ago when I wrote that piece you referenced.  And I really don't feel I go out of my way to needle anyone who hasn't needled me in some manner.  I suppose I can hold a grudge like anyone, and when I was publicly labeled a fraud, and then other people started to latch on to that idea, yeah, it really rubbed me the wrong way, and it still pisses me off.  But, I have made a concerted effort as of late to avoid to the best of my ability those personalities, for the good of the board.  It is why I started that thread without comment.  It wasn't to start hostilities, it was a hope to avoid them by not injecting my opinion on the piece. 

I'm not an AKK, a Lamanite, a Laz.  I'm Rev. goddamned What's-His-Name?  And I'm just as rock and roll, nay, Metal as I've ever been. 

I've been an active part of this community for 7 years now.  I think my contributions warrant a little more benefit of the doubt than what gets thrown the way of someone like Dead Kennedy.  But, if I'm going to be tossed with that lot because I vigorously hold my ground in a debate, if I am going to be falsely accused of plagiarism and stealing from other members, why the fuck should I bother writing those kinds of pieces?  What's the point?

But I hang around because of relationships I've developed over the years.  There are friends here I'm not really ready to cast aside, so I hang around.  But, I just don't feel as motivated as of late to dig down and put that kind of stuff out.  My life is busy, at work and at home.  I don't always have the Mental Space I really need to be able to draw that kind of material out.  I don't even really feel the Pun that much lately.  But, I'm also pretty happy with my life.  I have a secure job.  I'm not drowning in debt.  I have a gorgeous wife and a couple of awesome kiddos.  So lately I'm more about the mirth.  That's why I wrote that, unfortunately, controversial piece.  It is where I am, it is where I want to be, and if I can, I want to take others there. 

RWHN,
There Will Be Nonsense!

In all fairness, you could have immediately put a stop to speculation about your professional qualifications by simply telling us what degree you hold that is relevant in your field. It wasn't an unreasonable request and it doesn't expose any of your actual PI. That you chose to dig your heels in and screech should not be held against the people who were properly skeptical.

[navkat]

Flawed Personality forum is made up of flawed personalities.

We should try to be growing mentally anyway and also forgive each other for being retards. We've been retards for a loong time, why stop now?

I know there are no mirrors in the wild and it can be hard to see where you fit but here's a clue: if you consistently fnd yourself sitting among a pack of screeching beasts and you look around and see that they're all a bunch of graceless, savage hyenas, chances are, you're not a lion.

I love you guys. I just wanna share my breakbeat with you forever.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Flawed Personality forum is made up of flawed personalities.

We should try to be growing mentally anyway and also forgive each other for being retards. We've been retards for a loong time, why stop now?

I know there are no mirrors in the wild and it can be hard to see where you fit but here's a clue: if you consistently fnd yourself sitting among a pack of screeching beasts and you look around and see that they're all a bunch of graceless, savage hyenas, chances are, you're not a lion.

I love you guys. I just wanna share my breakbeat with you forever.

Damn Nav, nicely stated!

[Faust]

Atheism.

Like communists and anarchists, I don't believe atheists exist.

Damn. Normally the slightest mention of that will start off that cycle for ten pages.
Certain topics just have us going through the motions, other forums call it a trigger warning a topic that elicits specific responses from large groups of people.
I personally hate seeing a thread with "uncomfortable topic" or "trigger warning" or whatever variation, we should be able to rise above that.
For a while whenever a Drug, Magic, atheism etc thread would appear and people start going through the motions posting the same exact arguments with each other I'd post pictures of hard hats/fall zone or other cautionary building site pictures, just to remind us that we've had those discussions before, we didn't reach a concensus so we might as well try to approach it from a different angle.

[AFK]

In all fairness, you could have immediately put a stop to speculation about your professional qualifications by simply telling us what degree you hold that is relevant in your field. It wasn't an unreasonable request and it doesn't expose any of your actual PI. That you chose to dig your heels in and screech should not be held against the people who were properly skeptical.

I suppose that was where I may have trolled you two a bit.  At a certain point, I decided I was fed up and decided I was going to dance to my beat, not that laid down by others.  I can be very stubborn sometimes. 

But, as a bit of an olive branch, I have a Master's Degree in Public Policy.  It is one of the more common degrees amongst those who work in the prevention field since it usually does involve public policy issues.   I graduated Magnum Cum Laude.  I've worked under some of the greatest minds in the field.  So my qualifications and credentials are indeed there. 

By the way, in the interest of honesty, I really, really don't like In Flames. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Thread does not deliver uncomfortable

I'd just like to go on record as saying that all gay eskimos must die and I'm going to use magics to make it happen!

... oh, and, I'll probably take a bunch of drugs too.

... and quantumz

[EK WAFFLR]

my wee wee water is magic. Discuss.

[navkat]

I don't mind debating almost any topic with any weirdo. I just can't tolerate the zOMFGWTF GUYS I TOOK ACID AND FOUND THE PATHWAY TO TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT set. No different than the homeopaths, imo, except at least the homeopaths are truly deluded and not just trying to self-justify hedonistic behaviour no one should be feeling guilty about in the first fucking place. Doing it on a discordian message board where anyone who's actually read anything on the subject has joined the mutual understanding that it's pointless and unnecessary to justify anything here makes it just flat-out silly and sets my brain on a recursive loop where I get on a magic pony, we ride over the rainbow forest and through the marshmallow achway, over the rainbow forest and through the marshmallow archway... As long as you aren't eating babies, no one cares how you get your rocks off.

If you're gonna tell us what it was like, do it from the honest perspctive of being fucked up on drugs and seeing/doing cool shit. Tell us about all the fun and glorious people you met at Burningman. DO tell us how fun, goodhearted, wonderful people can be and how your experience enhanced that for you on a purely chemical, pharmacologic and psychologcal level. Do NOT tell us you saw god in a fucking fractal.

You should fucking know better, dammit!

[EK WAFFLR]

I don't mind debating almost any topic with any weirdo. I just can't tolerate the zOMFGWTF GUYS I TOOK ACID AND FOUND THE PATHWAY TO TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT set.

I have seriously never understood this.

[LMNO]

I don't mind debating almost any topic with any weirdo. I just can't tolerate the zOMFGWTF GUYS I TOOK ACID AND FOUND THE PATHWAY TO TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT set.

I have seriously never understood this.

It stems from the fact that some people couldn't figure out that Tim Leary was incredibly smart, cool, and charismatic before he ever dropped acid.