Cain explains AUTHORITY

[East Coast Hustle]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

Bollocks. If you ever see me "sucking it up" you can rest assured that it's a facade intended to cause whoever put me in that position to let their guard down so I can take my hideous and unreasonable revenge.

[Freeky]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

Bollocks. If you ever see me "sucking it up" you can rest assured that it's a facade intended to cause whoever put me in that position to let their guard down so I can take my hideous and unreasonable revenge.

Disproportionate responses, when used judiciously (read: all the time) are probably the best way to get through to someone like that anyway.

[BadBeast]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

It's always helpful to inform people of that when they're trying to vent a bit.

If you know what I mean.

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I meant the sympathy part with all sincerity, but it I've been sucking up so much shit this winter I'm finding it hard enough to drag my arse out of bed every day to see what else is going to get thrown at me.
So sorry Cain, for sounding flippant, I feel your anger, and I liked the story. Yes, it's shit when someone's supposed to have your back, and they turn out to be gutless. Yes, it's galling when the kids you're supposed to be in charge of go over your head, and use their privileged position to pull the rug out from under you. But the apple never falls far from the tree, and there are always people who   are prepared to kiss the arse of wealth and influence to curry favour. I've never been one to do that, and sometimes it's the only thing that comforts me. (Small enough comfort, but it's enough) You are angry because you're having to capitulate because of someone else rolling over. Those people are always going to be there, wherever you go. But it doesn't mean you have to join them. Fuck 'em. You're still better than them, because you still care enough to even get angry. 

And yeah Roger, you're right. That last post of mine made me sound like a defeatist. And I'm fucking not. I've had toothache all week, and I can't get a Dentist. But I'm going to beat it. I've got a total of £4.60 to my name, and I don't get paid until monday. My stomach thinks I'm going to starve. But I wont.
And now I've got heartburn too. I shall suck it up, and then shit it out again. It's all I can do at the moment.
       

[BadBeast]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

Bollocks. If you ever see me "sucking it up" you can rest assured that it's a facade intended to cause whoever put me in that position to let their guard down so I can take my hideous and unreasonable revenge.

That is, indeed TCM. Revenge is a dish best served up with a disproportionate magnitude of shit. But said shit has to come from somewhere.

[East Coast Hustle]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

Bollocks. If you ever see me "sucking it up" you can rest assured that it's a facade intended to cause whoever put me in that position to let their guard down so I can take my hideous and unreasonable revenge.

Disproportionate responses, when used judiciously (read: all the time) are probably the best way to get through to someone like that anyway.

Indeed. "Your entire head for an eye", that's what I always say.

[minuspace]

The thing is that you would have to act against a group of them, not just one.  The same measure by which the fuckers pull, however, may be used to single out the weak one.  Isolate and threaten that one first to derive admission to persecute the others according to psychological advantage and whatever twisted game theory fits their crime.  If they have no vice, introduce them to one.  Teach them the code.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

FUCK.

THAT.

The only time anyone should ever "suck it up" is if they're being a whiny baby over nothing. Otherwise, they should egg the fuck up and fight, dirty or clean, every inch of the way even if it's a losing battle.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

Bollocks. If you ever see me "sucking it up" you can rest assured that it's a facade intended to cause whoever put me in that position to let their guard down so I can take my hideous and unreasonable revenge.

Amen, brotha.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

It's always helpful to inform people of that when they're trying to vent a bit.

If you know what I mean.

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I meant the sympathy part with all sincerity, but it I've been sucking up so much shit this winter I'm finding it hard enough to drag my arse out of bed every day to see what else is going to get thrown at me.
So sorry Cain, for sounding flippant, I feel your anger, and I liked the story. Yes, it's shit when someone's supposed to have your back, and they turn out to be gutless. Yes, it's galling when the kids you're supposed to be in charge of go over your head, and use their privileged position to pull the rug out from under you. But the apple never falls far from the tree, and there are always people who   are prepared to kiss the arse of wealth and influence to curry favour. I've never been one to do that, and sometimes it's the only thing that comforts me. (Small enough comfort, but it's enough) You are angry because you're having to capitulate because of someone else rolling over. Those people are always going to be there, wherever you go. But it doesn't mean you have to join them. Fuck 'em. You're still better than them, because you still care enough to even get angry. 

And yeah Roger, you're right. That last post of mine made me sound like a defeatist. And I'm fucking not. I've had toothache all week, and I can't get a Dentist. But I'm going to beat it. I've got a total of £4.60 to my name, and I don't get paid until monday. My stomach thinks I'm going to starve. But I wont.
And now I've got heartburn too. I shall suck it up, and then shit it out again. It's all I can do at the moment.
       

Well all that is shit, but I hope you don't just fucking suck it up and roll over and lie there.

FIGHT.

[Freeky]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

Bollocks. If you ever see me "sucking it up" you can rest assured that it's a facade intended to cause whoever put me in that position to let their guard down so I can take my hideous and unreasonable revenge.

Disproportionate responses, when used judiciously (read: all the time) are probably the best way to get through to someone like that anyway.

Indeed. "Your entire head for an eye", that's what I always say.

Wise words to live by.

[BadBeast]

You have my sympathy. But sometimes, life's shit and we just have to suck it up.

It's always helpful to inform people of that when they're trying to vent a bit.

If you know what I mean.

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I meant the sympathy part with all sincerity, but it I've been sucking up so much shit this winter I'm finding it hard enough to drag my arse out of bed every day to see what else is going to get thrown at me.
So sorry Cain, for sounding flippant, I feel your anger, and I liked the story. Yes, it's shit when someone's supposed to have your back, and they turn out to be gutless. Yes, it's galling when the kids you're supposed to be in charge of go over your head, and use their privileged position to pull the rug out from under you. But the apple never falls far from the tree, and there are always people who   are prepared to kiss the arse of wealth and influence to curry favour. I've never been one to do that, and sometimes it's the only thing that comforts me. (Small enough comfort, but it's enough) You are angry because you're having to capitulate because of someone else rolling over. Those people are always going to be there, wherever you go. But it doesn't mean you have to join them. Fuck 'em. You're still better than them, because you still care enough to even get angry. 

And yeah Roger, you're right. That last post of mine made me sound like a defeatist. And I'm fucking not. I've had toothache all week, and I can't get a Dentist. But I'm going to beat it. I've got a total of £4.60 to my name, and I don't get paid until monday. My stomach thinks I'm going to starve. But I wont.
And now I've got heartburn too. I shall suck it up, and then shit it out again. It's all I can do at the moment.
       

Well all that is shit, but I hope you don't just fucking suck it up* and roll over and lie there.

FIGHT.

*Not sure if this was sarcasm or not, ^^ but
If you ever see me roll over and just lie there, then it will be safe to come over and kick me, because I'll be fucking dead. And I'm not too sure whether you meant I was implying Cain was a whiny baby, or whether you were implying I was a whiny baby. If it was the former, then you quite clearly misunderstood what I was saying. Which was that some things, you just have to bear with as good a grace as you can. (Until such time as another option presents itself)

If it was the latter, then you really should wind your neck in a bit. This is the ONE TIME I have ever posted here complaining about ONE single thing in my life.

And If it was neither, then it ws a poor choice of words. (And we're all guilty of that from time to time, as I well know)

And sucking it up? As far as toothache is concerned, short of nipping across the block for a bag of heroin, (And believe me, that in itself is a fight you wouldn't want to have to "egg the fuck up" for) sucking it up is my only viable option. The reason I have toothache in the first place is because the last emergency NHS Dentist I went to left chunks of root behind after attempting to extract a wisdom tooth under local anaesthetic. But It's only pain. And it will go away eventually. Then I'll feel much better. In fact, it's already much better than it was yesterday.

As for fighting, if you only knew what a fight I've had in the last three or four weeks just keeping a fucking roof over my head, then you'd know that suggesting I 'fight' is like suggesting to the wind that it should 'blow'. But there's no reason why you should have known that, because I haven't felt the need to burden anyone else with my problems.

Suffice to say, any motherfucker who comes gunning for me will find out exactly how much fight I have left. So yeah, thanks for the advice Nigel, but if there's one thing I know how to do well, it's to fight. So don't worry, I won't be rolling over anytime soon.

If I appear to be disproportionately reactive to your last post, don't take it personally. I'm not attacking you. As I said, that "whiny baby" thing really put me on my back foot. I know Cain isn't a whinger, and I don't believe I am either, so I hope I've made my position, and my reason for sounding a little less than positive here, a little clearer.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

"Coping/pushing through" and "sucking it up" are two very different things, is pretty much all I'm saying. "Suck it up" pretty much means "quit yer whinging" and I think that when something shitty is going on it's perfectly OK to complain about it and seek moral support from your peers WHILE you cope with it and push on through.


All that, and you'll find you get a lot more sympathy and support if you don't tell other people "life is hard, suck it up" when they're having a rough go. 

[BadBeast]

I wasn't after sympathy or support. I was offering sympathy, and commiserating that yes, life is often a fucking bitch, and there's sometimes very little we can do in the face of that.  If my own troubles coloured the tone of my post, then I'm sorry, but that's what troubles do. However, they also allow us to empathise with someone else's misfortune, which was all I was doing here.

I have no doubt Cain will emerge from this with his integrity intact. And I'm certain he'll manage to get some licks in where they'll be felt. He's one canny fucker.
 
But back on topic, the OP is about Authority, and part of any position of Authority is having to comply with those who have more of it than you do. It goes with the territory. It's not always a comfortable ride, but that's how it goes.  It's not something I've ever been comfortable with, which is why I have never sought Authority over anyone but myself.

(Also why I resent anyone who attempts to usurp that Authority, when I'm making such a supreme effort not to fuck with them)

If I had sought Authority over others, I get the feeling I would have made the worst kind of tyrant imaginable. It's hard enough keeping my own shit in order, without having to tell other people how they should be doing it. Not that that would have stopped me.
I think my attitude towards Authority was tempered by finding myself on the rough end of it from an early age. Why would I want to do that to anyone else? Revenge isn't a good enough reason. Whether served hot, or cold, I never really found it very nourishing. And not for want of trying either.

I don't have nearly as many issues with Authority as I did when I was a young buck. But I'm far better at keeping my own shit together than I was.
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Well, I don't have anything much of Caesar's, and if he want's to come and contest that statement, he can come and 
knock on my door. He knows where I am. If he comes knocking, I try to project a T.A.Z. around myself. It doesn't always work, but it's getting easier.     

[P3nT4gR4m]

But back on topic, the OP is about Authority, and part of any position of Authority is having to comply with those who have more of it than you do. It goes with the territory. It's not always a comfortable ride, but that's how it goes.  It's not something I've ever been comfortable with, which is why I have never sought Authority over anyone but myself.

(Also why I resent anyone who attempts to usurp that Authority, when I'm making such a supreme effort not to fuck with them)

Troof! There's a time and a place for authority. Most of the time and most places isn't it. They hand out this authority, willy nilly, to pretty much any fuckhead who asks for it. Coppers, store detectives, bouncers, bank managers, cocksuckers, fuckpigs and all the rest. They tell these monkeys they have authority over me. And each and every one, to a man, gets a sniff and turns into the next fucking stalin the minute he's given the hat.

Coppers are about the worst. Especially the little uns. I get noised up out my bed at three o clock in the morning, on a school night and brother filth (all 4 foot nothing of him) on a curfew check and he's assured of the fact that he has the authority over me that I'm just going to wear it. And I do. Cos I don't need the headache. But I'm comfortable with that. He's a very little man. I could pick him up and snap his spine like a twig. He lives because I'm not as petty as him. He walks away because I let it slide. That's real authority - to grant an annoying little wanker a stay of execution because you're too smart to get sucked into their stupid little pissing contest.

That said, it still sticks in my throat that I couldn't just drag him inside and stamp on his head a few times but I rest assured that someone eventually will. I'm surrounded by people who don't give a fuck about going to prison so it's probably just a matter of time.

[Triple Zero]

In the Northernmost coastal regions of India, it is in fact illegal to respect the authority of a certified cocksucker.