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Started by AFK, February 10, 2012, 05:52:04 PM

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February 10, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/10/10372867-george-lucas-greedo-always-shot-first

QuoteIn an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, the "Star Wars" director, who's "Phantom Menace" hits theaters in 3-D this weekend, not only defended his controversial additions to the special edition of the original film, but attempted to change movie history.
In the infamous cantina shootout between Han Solo and bounty hunter Greedo, the original shot shows Han Solo blasting Greedo, the edited version shows Greedo aiming and missing from point-blank range, then being shot by Han.
Despite the fact that millions of people saw the scene in theaters and no one ever had any doubt about what happened, Lucas is now saying that Greedo always shot first, and his edits were just making that more obvious.
"It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom," Lucas told THR. "I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down."

Because he did!

Lucas goes on to blame the rest of the world for wanting Han to be a "cold-blooded killer," thus misinterpreting the film for decades.


Someone needs to help George Lucas break out of his cell. 

I really don't know what this guy's deal is.  His original movies have made him tons of bank, won millions of fervent and adoring fans who have a great attachment (in some cases perhaps a bit unhealthy) to this story and universe. 

Yet, it seems like since he started making the prequels, he is hellbent on reforming that universe that was created in the original films.  Why does he care so much about Han NOT being seen as a ruthless kind of guy who was really good at surviving and knowing when to shoot first.  I can't believe it's Lucas' conscience that is bothering him because he had no problem have Anakin slaughter a bunch of little kids.  Does he think that was different because it was implied and not actually shown? 



I just don't get the guy.  I think he's sick or something. 
   
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The Good Reverend Roger

#1
February 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
I think he died in 1979, and Steven Speilberg has been wearing his cured hide ever since.
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The Rev

#2
February 10, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
I think he died in 1979, and Steven Speilberg has been wearing his cured hide ever since.

Damn, that is wrong on EVERY level! :eek:

The Good Reverend Roger

#3
February 10, 2012, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 10, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
I think he died in 1979, and Steven Speilberg has been wearing his cured hide ever since.

Damn, that is wrong on EVERY level! :eek:

But it explains everything.  Even Ewoks.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Sita

#4
February 10, 2012, 07:15:28 PM
This is why I refuse to buy episodes 4-6 on dvd unless I can find a copy with the original version and not the edited one.
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#5
February 10, 2012, 08:32:26 PM
I don't think that is possible.  I don't think the originals ever made it to DVD did they?  In fact, I think the first pressing of the Special Editions were on VHS.  Luckily, I still have some VHS copies of the original.  When I sit down to have the ceremonial first viewing of the trilogy with my boy, we will NOT be watching the heresy of Greedo shooting first, haloed-explosions, and that bullshit they did with the dance number at Jabba's Palace. 

And no, there will be no Jar Jar Binks.

NOT EVEN ONCE!
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The Good Reverend Roger

#6
February 10, 2012, 08:34:00 PM
Seriously, what the fuck was he thinking?  Han firing first was the one thing that added complexity to his character.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

#7
February 10, 2012, 08:37:19 PM
Exactly.  His whole arc was going from this seedy smuggler guy to this esteemed swashbuckling general guy.  We're supposed to think he was a courteous smuggler?  C'mon George!
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Phox

#8
February 10, 2012, 08:41:08 PM
I'm pretty sure "Letting bounty hunter shoot you" is not on the Ms. Manner's List of Proper Etiquette at a Mos Eisley Dinner Party. Just sayin'.

Triple Zero

#9
February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?
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#10
February 10, 2012, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?

FUKIN HEATHEN

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#11
February 10, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
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#12
February 10, 2012, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?

:lulz:
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#13
February 10, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?

It's because we're fat retarded people who can't get enough fucking escapism.

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" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

#14
February 10, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
Is it because the US doesn't really have any of its own mythology to speak of, that Star Wars is such a big deal to people? It's like arguing about whether Baby Jesus was visited by mages, wise men or kings?

If you were my age when these movies hit, it was kind of a big deal.  A fairly defining part of the culture at the time.  It was a great vehcile for some childhood escapism and imagination.  So people can get a little protective of that.  I don't care THAT much about it.  I wouldn't start a pention or anything.  But, I'm just puzzled by how ardent Lucas is being about this whole thing. 
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