Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

The problem is there hasn't been a grand jury convened to hear the facts yet.  The outrage comes from him not being held in custody until that happens, with good reason.

There was more than enough probable cause to make an arrest.

The police have no intention of arresting this bastard.  Why?

Black kid shot in Florida.  That's why.

Agreed, its not the law thats completely flawed, its the implementation and interpretation of the law that the Florida cops seems to be using. Its not a cops job to interpret the law. He can gather evidence and hold the suspected individuals... but we have judges, grand juries and that whole thing called "due process" that can provide a far less biased decision on guilt or innocence.

[Cain]

Supposedly neutral law interpreted and enforced in selective and biased manner according to ingrained prejudices, historical aminosity and ethnic power relations!  More at 11!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Supposedly neutral law interpreted and enforced in selective and biased manner according to ingrained prejudices, historical aminosity and ethnic power relations!  More at 11!

[Cain]

Richard Seymour, yesterday, had this to say concerning the rule of law in the UK:

What is the law? We are all obliged to know it; ignorance is no excuse. Yet, we are never taught anything about it at school. Only a professional minority, of solicitors, state administrators, judges, police and so on, actually know what is involved. Protesters, campaigners, occupiers and strikers are often obliged to undertake a crash course in specialized fields of the law in order to fight on its terms.

What we understand about law is overwhelmingly derived from popular culture, which is to say that our understanding of law is intensely ideological.

And that applies to how the law is enforced, too.

[Scribbly]

Richard Seymour, yesterday, had this to say concerning the rule of law in the UK:

What is the law? We are all obliged to know it; ignorance is no excuse. Yet, we are never taught anything about it at school. Only a professional minority, of solicitors, state administrators, judges, police and so on, actually know what is involved. Protesters, campaigners, occupiers and strikers are often obliged to undertake a crash course in specialized fields of the law in order to fight on its terms.

What we understand about law is overwhelmingly derived from popular culture, which is to say that our understanding of law is intensely ideological.

And that applies to how the law is enforced, too.

This is a very good point that I'd never considered. I wouldn't even know where to begin trying to research all the laws which apply to me. I guess there has to be some sort of internet reference for them, but the entire body of law is so obscenely huge that you'd have to dedicate years to learning it.

And yet we're all expected to know it.

In reality I suspect Prachett is closer to the truth than we'd like to believe. Everyone is guilty of something, so your best defence is to simply try not to come to the notice of the police in the first place.

Not to mention how easy it is to simply manufacture a crime if one isn't immediately apparent, especially as we've lost the right to know what we're being accused of if it is convenient a matter of national security.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Hmm... The thought of local national and international law being taught from first grade to senior year is an interesting one. It would essentially make everyone a lawyer.

[Disco Pickle]

Angela Corey, State Attorney for the 4th Circuit (which is basically my home town) has been assigned as State Attorney for the case. 

She's been getting a lot of shit lately from the local Dems for being a hard ass prosecutor with a high conviction rate.  (and for having what seems like a bit too cozy a relationship with the Public Defender's Office)  She's the one prosecuting Christian Fernandez (the 12 year old who beat his 2 year old brother to death) as an adult murder case.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Doktor Howl]

Angela Corey, State Attorney for the 4th Circuit (which is basically my home town) has been assigned as State Attorney for the case. 

She's been getting a lot of shit lately from the local Dems for being a hard ass prosecutor with a high conviction rate.  (and for having what seems like a bit too cozy a relationship with the Public Defender's Office)  She's the one prosecuting Christian Fernandez (the 12 year old who beat his 2 year old brother to death) as an adult murder case.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

A 12 year old is now an adult?

[Disco Pickle]

Angela Corey, State Attorney for the 4th Circuit (which is basically my home town) has been assigned as State Attorney for the case. 

She's been getting a lot of shit lately from the local Dems for being a hard ass prosecutor with a high conviction rate.  (and for having what seems like a bit too cozy a relationship with the Public Defender's Office)  She's the one prosecuting Christian Fernandez (the 12 year old who beat his 2 year old brother to death) as an adult murder case.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

A 12 year old is now an adult?

Quite a bit of stink over that here.  On the one hand, he beat his 2 year old brother to death.  On the other, he's only fucking 12.

Youngest person to be charged as an adult in a murder trial.  Nothing to brag about, being from the city that sent a 12 year old up for life.  Have to see what the jury decides.  It's a case being watched very closely.

[LMNO]

Back to the OP, I just read an interesting table-turning quote:

"Trayvon saw someone following him, felt threatened, retreated, was still followed, and then was approached by an armed man who had 100 lbs on him. ... Because Zimmerman was acting as an aggressor, Trayvon had the right to defend himself by punching, kicking, tackling, etc. Because Zimmerman was acting as the aggressor, his actions cannot be considered self-defense: you can't initiate and then claim self-defense. The evidence for initiation is there on the 911 tape. ... Why is it that a black man cannot be afraid of a white man who follows and approaches him on a street at night?"

If I'm walking down the street, and an armed stranger starts following me, damn right I'm going to feel threatened.

[Doktor Howl]

Angela Corey, State Attorney for the 4th Circuit (which is basically my home town) has been assigned as State Attorney for the case. 

She's been getting a lot of shit lately from the local Dems for being a hard ass prosecutor with a high conviction rate.  (and for having what seems like a bit too cozy a relationship with the Public Defender's Office)  She's the one prosecuting Christian Fernandez (the 12 year old who beat his 2 year old brother to death) as an adult murder case.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

A 12 year old is now an adult?

Quite a bit of stink over that here.  On the one hand, he beat his 2 year old brother to death.  On the other, he's only fucking 12.

Severity of the crime doesn't make him older, or have better judgement.

A 12 year old is not an adult, no matter what he is accused of.

[Juana]

Back to the OP, I just read an interesting table-turning quote:

"Trayvon saw someone following him, felt threatened, retreated, was still followed, and then was approached by an armed man who had 100 lbs on him. ... Because Zimmerman was acting as an aggressor, Trayvon had the right to defend himself by punching, kicking, tackling, etc. Because Zimmerman was acting as the aggressor, his actions cannot be considered self-defense: you can't initiate and then claim self-defense. The evidence for initiation is there on the 911 tape. ... Why is it that a black man cannot be afraid of a white man who follows and approaches him on a street at night?"

If I'm walking down the street, and an armed stranger starts following me, damn right I'm going to feel threatened.

Tangent: Imagine what would have happened if Martin had killed Zimmerman while defending himself?

[Bu🤠ns]

 

LoLaldo Rivera:

" am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies. I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin's death as George Zimmerman was."

ETA: My GOD there's so many wonderful emoticons

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

WHAT

Unfuckingreal.

[Juana]

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