UNLIMITED "Vaginas are scary" discussion thread!

[Doktor Howl]

Speaking of school, oh shit, I gotta run! See you all in four hours!

[Doktor Howl]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

[Cain]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG!  THE SOROS-BACKED CDC AND WHO SCRUBBED THE RECORDS ON THE ORDERS OF RAHM EMANUEL, BAG-CARRIER FOR THE SOCIALIST-MARXIST REGIME OF BARRY HUSSEIN SOTEREO.  THEY RETROACTIVELY LISTED MEXICANS WITH THOSE DISEASES AS AMERICAN, TO FURTHER THEIR PLANS OF BUILDING A SOMEWHAT SICKLY REPUBLICA DEL NORTE, BETTER KNOWN AS ATZLAN! BARRY HUSSEIN IS PLANNING TO WAGE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE USA WITH HIS MEXICAN-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SHOCK TROOPERS!
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[Anna Mae Bollocks]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

Yep. Can't sort all the shit in the monkeybouse on our own, THERE'S TOO GODDAMN MUCH. Need people to poke holes in things sometimes. 

[Doktor Howl]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG!  THE SOROS-BACKED CDC AND WHO SCRUBBED THE RECORDS ON THE ORDERS OF RAHM EMANUEL, BAG-CARRIER FOR THE SOCIALIST-MARXIST REGIME OF BARRY HUSSEIN SOTEREO.  THEY RETROACTIVELY LISTED MEXICANS WITH THOSE DISEASES AS AMERICAN, TO FURTHER THEIR PLANS OF BUILDING A SOMEWHAT SICKLY REPUBLICA DEL NORTE, BETTER KNOWN AS ATZLAN! BARRY HUSSEIN IS PLANNING TO WAGE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE USA WITH HIS MEXICAN-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SHOCK TROOPERS!
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Fact:  Cain actually lives in Oro Valley.   

[navkat]

Maybe this is a dumbshit thing to say but I was satisfied with my birthing choices. I had a OB/GYN who was with me on the issues of episiotomy (No!) and c-sec as a last resort. I didn't mind the cardiac monitoring and the epidural prevented me from making a shiv out of the spit-bowl so I didn't have to explain anything to the police after.

I would have nursed immediately but I had an emergency due to immense blood loss and they had to work quickly to prevent me from needing a transfusion. If I'd given birth at home, i'd have certainly needed one and not been able to nurse at ALL.

I agree that women should be encouraged to do this with as few artificial additives as possible and supported in their decisions to do the same. I also agree that insurance companies don't get a say in this. Period. But I am a girl of science and while it's clear the medical community hasn't got it all figured out, I don't feel like I'm stuck handing my body and kid over to clueless, well-meaning buffoons, either.

I like the idea of birthing centers in separate buildings but close to the hospital. Yes, MDs at all times. Yes, midwives in charge with seniority over a team of nurses who can push meds and stat IVs as needed.

I don't know what the stats on this are, but I thought it used to be a lot more common for the women to die in childbirth back in the days prior to medical industrialization. I'm using a smartphone and don't wanna go on a google dive but am I missing something?

I saw the documentary with Riki Lake a while ago but don't remember all the stats. I do remember that one of the homebirth moms needed to go to the hospital after all and the doula handled it beautifully. Instead of taking risks and stubbornly forcing things to prove her point for the camera, she was smart enough to say "it's time to go." I attribute this to her character but have met plenty of "militant hippie" doulas I'm not so sure I'd trust. Adding the necessity for tort insurance would solve this issue but then, you'd be dealing with the same level of bullshit when common sense inevitably takes the back seat to covering thine own ass.

[Doktor Howl]

Both of my kids were delivered by nurses.

Not because of any preferance, but because they both decided to jump right out in the hospital lobby.

[Don Coyote]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

You are so WEIRD!!!!!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

That's how I feel about it.

Also I publicly embarrassed myself in class today by forgetting the history of the UN. All of it. Oops!

If I got all butthurt just because I'm wrong about something, I'd never be able to sit down.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

You are so WEIRD!!!!!

Could be weirder. I could be reading about bugs, or rocks.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

We all do!

I appreciate that you accept me for who I am and don't get all pissed at me.

Also, my hobby is reading WHO and CDC reports. It's why I decided to go to school for what I'll eventually be studying.

I am not embarrassed by being wrong.  There's no shame in being wrong.

The shame is in being wrong, and arguing it in the face of the facts.

YOU'RE BOTH WRONG!  THE SOROS-BACKED CDC AND WHO SCRUBBED THE RECORDS ON THE ORDERS OF RAHM EMANUEL, BAG-CARRIER FOR THE SOCIALIST-MARXIST REGIME OF BARRY HUSSEIN SOTEREO.  THEY RETROACTIVELY LISTED MEXICANS WITH THOSE DISEASES AS AMERICAN, TO FURTHER THEIR PLANS OF BUILDING A SOMEWHAT SICKLY REPUBLICA DEL NORTE, BETTER KNOWN AS ATZLAN! BARRY HUSSEIN IS PLANNING TO WAGE BIOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE USA WITH HIS MEXICAN-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SHOCK TROOPERS!
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[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Maybe this is a dumbshit thing to say but I was satisfied with my birthing choices. I had a OB/GYN who was with me on the issues of episiotomy (No!) and c-sec as a last resort. I didn't mind the cardiac monitoring and the epidural prevented me from making a shiv out of the spit-bowl so I didn't have to explain anything to the police after.

I would have nursed immediately but I had an emergency due to immense blood loss and they had to work quickly to prevent me from needing a transfusion. If I'd given birth at home, i'd have certainly needed one and not been able to nurse at ALL.

I agree that women should be encouraged to do this with as few artificial additives as possible and supported in their decisions to do the same. I also agree that insurance companies don't get a say in this. Period. But I am a girl of science and while it's clear the medical community hasn't got it all figured out, I don't feel like I'm stuck handing my body and kid over to clueless, well-meaning buffoons, either.

I like the idea of birthing centers in separate buildings but close to the hospital. Yes, MDs at all times. Yes, midwives in charge with seniority over a team of nurses who can push meds and stat IVs as needed.

I don't know what the stats on this are, but I thought it used to be a lot more common for the women to die in childbirth back in the days prior to medical industrialization. I'm using a smartphone and don't wanna go on a google dive but am I missing something?

I saw the documentary with Riki Lake a while ago but don't remember all the stats. I do remember that one of the homebirth moms needed to go to the hospital after all and the doula handled it beautifully. Instead of taking risks and stubbornly forcing things to prove her point for the camera, she was smart enough to say "it's time to go." I attribute this to her character but have met plenty of "militant hippie" doulas I'm not so sure I'd trust. Adding the necessity for tort insurance would solve this issue but then, you'd be dealing with the same level of bullshit when common sense inevitably takes the back seat to covering thine own ass.

No need for anyone to justify their personal childbirth choices here. The fact that we have choices at all is a huge step forward; for a while there they were just strapping women down, putting them under, and hauling the baby out with unwashed hands and forceps.

Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

[Doktor Howl]

Maybe this is a dumbshit thing to say but I was satisfied with my birthing choices. I had a OB/GYN who was with me on the issues of episiotomy (No!) and c-sec as a last resort. I didn't mind the cardiac monitoring and the epidural prevented me from making a shiv out of the spit-bowl so I didn't have to explain anything to the police after.

I would have nursed immediately but I had an emergency due to immense blood loss and they had to work quickly to prevent me from needing a transfusion. If I'd given birth at home, i'd have certainly needed one and not been able to nurse at ALL.

I agree that women should be encouraged to do this with as few artificial additives as possible and supported in their decisions to do the same. I also agree that insurance companies don't get a say in this. Period. But I am a girl of science and while it's clear the medical community hasn't got it all figured out, I don't feel like I'm stuck handing my body and kid over to clueless, well-meaning buffoons, either.

I like the idea of birthing centers in separate buildings but close to the hospital. Yes, MDs at all times. Yes, midwives in charge with seniority over a team of nurses who can push meds and stat IVs as needed.

I don't know what the stats on this are, but I thought it used to be a lot more common for the women to die in childbirth back in the days prior to medical industrialization. I'm using a smartphone and don't wanna go on a google dive but am I missing something?

I saw the documentary with Riki Lake a while ago but don't remember all the stats. I do remember that one of the homebirth moms needed to go to the hospital after all and the doula handled it beautifully. Instead of taking risks and stubbornly forcing things to prove her point for the camera, she was smart enough to say "it's time to go." I attribute this to her character but have met plenty of "militant hippie" doulas I'm not so sure I'd trust. Adding the necessity for tort insurance would solve this issue but then, you'd be dealing with the same level of bullshit when common sense inevitably takes the back seat to covering thine own ass.

No need for anyone to justify their personal childbirth choices here. The fact that we have choices at all is a huge step forward; for a while there they were just strapping women down, putting them under, and hauling the baby out with unwashed hands and forceps.

Maternal death absolutely skyrocketed when birth was medicalized. Keep in mind that the rate of death for a normal attended birth pre-medicalization was about 5/1000, and after medicalization became widespread it reached a peak of 85/1000. By contrast, the most dangerous birth prior to that time was unattended birth, which had a maternal death rate of about 25/1000 (NIH).

What is it now?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, I guess today's maternal mortality rate would be relevant too. According to the NIH it's about .01/1000.

Here's a good article: http://www.ajcn.org/content/72/1/241S.full

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The US still has an absurdly high rate of infant mortality, though.