Supreme court considers fucking over the country, again.

[Cain]

Tort Reform is just a wedge issue used by Republicans to woo away (normally Democratic) lawyers.  No-one has an actual interest in tort reform and it will never happen.  It's like when the Democrats pretend to care about gay marriage.

[Random Probability]

Complete lack of data.  So sue me.  I'm inclined to believe your statistics, but I have nothing to base that upon other than your sterling character (and therefore can't believe you).

Well, that, and the link I provided.  It has about 300 sourced figures concerning payouts and premiums.

Yeah, didn't see the link until after I replied.  Looks legit, but I have some questions on the numbers behind some of those statistics, but overall it's obvious that both sides of the issue are full of asshats.

Oh, and concerning that last bit, go fuck yourself with a Sean Hannity DVD.

Wait.  Sean Hannity has a DVD out?  Is it as good as that one with Sarah Palin and Obama doing the horizontal mambo?  Because I really loved that one!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Dok did you track something in from capitol grilling?

Naw, that's Warfrog/ASCII dude.  He changed his moniker.

But if I didn't know that, I'd assume that I had.   

Well, make sure to scrape your shoes, just in case... more variety is good... more variety of bad smells is not   

Tort Reform is just a wedge issue used by Republicans to woo away (normally Democratic) lawyers.  No-one has an actual interest in tort reform and it will never happen.  It's like when the Democrats pretend to care about gay marriage.

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!

[Doktor Howl]

Complete lack of data.  So sue me.  I'm inclined to believe your statistics, but I have nothing to base that upon other than your sterling character (and therefore can't believe you).

Well, that, and the link I provided.  It has about 300 sourced figures concerning payouts and premiums.

Yeah, didn't see the link until after I replied.  Looks legit, but I have some questions on the numbers behind some of those statistics, but overall it's obvious that both sides of the issue are full of asshats.

All of the figures named are sourced.  If you doubt them, you can look at the original source material.

And as far as both sides being full of asshats, what have the people who oppose tort reform done to be on the same level as the insurance company assholes quoted at the bottom of the page to which I linked?

[Doktor Howl]

Dok did you track something in from capitol grilling?

Naw, that's Warfrog/ASCII dude.  He changed his moniker.

But if I didn't know that, I'd assume that I had.   

Well, make sure to scrape your shoes, just in case... more variety is good... more variety of bad smells is not   

That's because you're not serious about having a good time.  I'm enjoying this immensely.  We haven't had an honest-to-"Bob", real live right wing nutjob here since that Voice of Truth guy.

[Random Probability]

Yeah, well, I'm never in the mood to turn on the funnay, so this is the best I can do to be entertaining.  Working in industries which surround me in right-wing basket cases gives me more material than I can regurgitate.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, well, I'm never in the mood to turn on the funnay, so this is the best I can do to be entertaining.  Working in industries which surround me in right-wing basket cases gives me more material than I can regurgitate.

Sucks to be you.

I spend every day in conference rooms surrounded by people who say things like "Sarah Palin will be ready in 2016", and several evenings a week surrounded by LEFT wing nutjobs who are still pissed off that George McGovern lost in 1972, and I don't let either one tell me what to think.

[Random Probability]

Complete lack of data.  So sue me.  I'm inclined to believe your statistics, but I have nothing to base that upon other than your sterling character (and therefore can't believe you).

Well, that, and the link I provided.  It has about 300 sourced figures concerning payouts and premiums.

Yeah, didn't see the link until after I replied.  Looks legit, but I have some questions on the numbers behind some of those statistics, but overall it's obvious that both sides of the issue are full of asshats.

All of the figures named are sourced.  If you doubt them, you can look at the original source material.

And as far as both sides being full of asshats, what have the people who oppose tort reform done to be on the same level as the insurance company assholes quoted at the bottom of the page to which I linked?

I wasn't being clear.  The issue I was stabbing at was the whole "health care costs" bugbear and how it's pretty much a two-man con.  Anything anybody involved says is almost invariably something to make themselves more money.

[LMNO]

Um...  so what do we do to the ones who can't afford to pay?  I mean, after they can't afford to buy insurance that costs twice what their rent does every month, and after we fine them twice that much for not bending over like good little atm machines?

The law states that if you're too poor (up to 400% of the poverty level), you will get credits to pay, and if you're WAY too poor (up to 113%) you get medicare.

So, yeah.  Do some fucking research.

[Random Probability]

Yeah, well, I'm never in the mood to turn on the funnay, so this is the best I can do to be entertaining.  Working in industries which surround me in right-wing basket cases gives me more material than I can regurgitate.

Sucks to be you.

I spend every day in conference rooms surrounded by people who say things like "Sarah Palin will be ready in 2016", and several evenings a week surrounded by LEFT wing nutjobs who are still pissed off that George McGovern lost in 1972, and I don't let either one tell me what to think.

Meh.  I don't really think anything one way or another.  My hobby is finding buttons and pushing them to see what they do.  If I thought you flounced around in real life even half as much as your words imply then I'd probably shit myself from giggling too hard.

[Doktor Howl]

I wasn't being clear.  The issue I was stabbing at was the whole "health care costs" bugbear and how it's pretty much a two-man con.  Anything anybody involved says is almost invariably something to make themselves more money.

Interesting.  Would you include in that assessement the people that point out that having poor people using the ER (because they can't afford a doctor, and the ER has to treat them) causes costs to skyrocket?  Or the people that point out that the Canadian-style system is cheaper for everyone, as a result of patients being able to see regular doctors instead of cramming up the ERs?

[Doktor Howl]

Meh.  I don't really think anything one way or another.

Again, sucks to be you.

My hobby is finding buttons and pushing them to see what they do.

Good to know. 

Good day.

[Doktor Howl]

Um...  so what do we do to the ones who can't afford to pay?  I mean, after they can't afford to buy insurance that costs twice what their rent does every month, and after we fine them twice that much for not bending over like good little atm machines?

The law states that if you're too poor (up to 400% of the poverty level), you will get credits to pay, and if you're WAY too poor (up to 113%) you get medicare.

So, yeah.  Do some fucking research.

See his post directly below yours.  Debating with him is like having a conversation with poptard or wade.

[Random Probability]

I wasn't being clear.  The issue I was stabbing at was the whole "health care costs" bugbear and how it's pretty much a two-man con.  Anything anybody involved says is almost invariably something to make themselves more money.

Interesting.  Would you include in that assessement the people that point out that having poor people using the ER (because they can't afford a doctor, and the ER has to treat them) causes costs to skyrocket?  Or the people that point out that the Canadian-style system is cheaper for everyone, as a result of patients being able to see regular doctors instead of cramming up the ERs?

What part of "Anything anybody involved says is almost invariably something to make themselves more money" isn't clear?  It's less about what really causes price increases and more about ways to increase profits.

[Random Probability]

Um...  so what do we do to the ones who can't afford to pay?  I mean, after they can't afford to buy insurance that costs twice what their rent does every month, and after we fine them twice that much for not bending over like good little atm machines?

The law states that if you're too poor (up to 400% of the poverty level), you will get credits to pay, and if you're WAY too poor (up to 113%) you get medicare.

So, yeah.  Do some fucking research.

I'd skimmed over something to that effect only because I thought it had to be some sort of typo.  400%?  Really?  Won't that cover about 60% of the people in the US?