My Problem With Islam

[Doktor Howl]

Among their crimes is the music genre family friendly christian rap. So, there's that.

Well, Run DMC was that way.

But I assume the artists you're talking about aren't Run DMC.

[Placid Dingo]

Wouldn't the ideal way to ensure this to be mainly a focus on quality, pay and conditions in government schools.

In Aus at least if you scrapped faith schools the whole government system would collapse with the influx.

No constituency for it.  Teachers are seen as overpaid, left-wing slackers with far too many holidays.  The Conservative government at the moment knows it can attack teachers freely, because they're almost universally Labour, Green or Lib Dem voters anyway, and so their opinions don't matter.  Government here has launched an all out assault on the education sector, and about the most ideologically rigid MP is Secretary for Education (Michael Gove...admirer of George W Bush, Tony Blair and peddler of insane conspiracy theories about Muslims).

Yeah. Hence the 'ideal'.

[Placid Dingo]

You really can't lure zealots hell bent on religious indoctrinization into public schools by promising an olympic-sized swimming pool on the roof.

I think though most parents just want the best schools.

Make government education as competitive as possible on that line. Also, I should imagine there are limits on what can be taught in a non-government school.

Unfortunately, no.  Textbooks describing evolution as a lie and Jews as sub-human have been found in religious schools in the UK before now.

Is that within the confines of law though? I know in Aus you need to be following the standards, public or private, or you don't get to be a school any more.

No, they're not Jesus all day. They're called like, Mobile Biblical Baptist Academy or some shit and christ, have you not seen these kids in HS and college talking about how it's their fucking duty to "witness" to the youth of this "lost generation" of "misguided" teens? Please. Tell me you're not so naive that you believe that Friday mass in your dress-uniform is where this stops.

No I haven't Nav, I'm an Australian in a small mining town, so I'm not so familiar with what's going on day to day in the US.

Anyway, it seems a bit of a stalemate; if application of rigorious curriculum standards to all schools, and additional support to public schools doesn't solve anything, then I'm running on empty. Because 'getting rid of' faith schools would overload and basically fuck up the public system.

Also, i dont think it's inherently problematic to put kids in a faith based environment (though I think were agreed there).

[navkat]

My apologies for my US-centrism. I had a hard time understanding why you couldn't grok my meaning and I thought you were pulling my leg.

It's for real. It's like we're aliens and shit.

[Doktor Howl]

My apologies for my US-centrism. I had a hard time understanding why you couldn't grok my meaning and I thought you were pulling my leg.

It's for real. It's like we're aliens and shit.

Until someone has visited, it's hard to comprehend the horror of the 21st century American experience.

[Phox]

In my experience, the local Catholic schools tend to be pretty good, in terms of curriculum and not forcing Jesus down everyones throats, HOWEVER, that is nowhere near 100%, and some of them are as bad as those Baptist loony bins, and in general, I don't necessarily think religious schools are the right way to go.

Also, I consistently read the title of this thread as "My Problem With Islands". 

[navkat]

Also, I consistently read the title of this thread as "My Problem With Islands". 

Methinks you had a sip from my glass of crazy.

[hirley0]

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campPAIN against both{2) they both Resigned rather than respond to my Letter
{that "LEGAL" one that the government insisted THAT i provide to them )
at my cost. More Stupid stuff.
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running a 3rd party bid to end the BS . & in my opinion was sucsfull. However
when it was seen that he was, the IOway vote was changed elimanating
his effort. So Boo . Boo to the next post & the one after that  and the next
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all the US$ to give the Econ type the NoShun that Yen.isle was worth Sum, thins
boo boo boo. Worth Less. & as for sending 4 to the Sand pile to pile tanks on
the banks of dryed out sisterns boo booo booooo boooooooo Boo More goMint
Go.Mint F4U2

[hirley0]

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VaLLy funny U

Also, I consistently read the title of this thread as "My Problem With Islands". 

the islands name is Hardtack, if it matters, although it is called Ross, for 1 near by

Methinks you had a sip from my glass of crazy.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Problem is religion itself. Problem is Islam. Problem is christianity. Problem is Hindu, voodoo, joojoo and anything else that involves completely reliqushing your grip on reality. It's easy to forget, especially when confronted with apologist statistics about 99.99% of them not being fundamentalists and/or dangerous, but these are people who base important real-life decisions on some utterly retarded cock and bull fairy story or other. A lot of them may appear to be rational human beings but there's a fundamental part of their mind that doesn't work properly and, with a glitch of that magnitude, on the scale it's still manifest in global society, of course that means a whole lot of window licking - that's what religion is all about after all.

Unfortunately there's no solution. The memes are ferociously resilient to logic, critical reasoning and education and there's just too many believers to gas to death (moral issues aside)

We're pretty much fucked because an embarrassingly high percentage of our human brethern are batshit fucking insane

[navkat]

                                   They look like big, strong hands, don't they?
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