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Started by Cain, June 05, 2012, 01:41:45 PM

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Cain

...what exactly is the difference between Obama's "kill list" policy and the policy of the Serbian Army at Srebrencia?

Just thinking about it, the policy of the latter was that any "military-age" male be seperated from the population at large, then killed as a possible enemy combatant.

Obama's policy is that any "military-age" male in a "strike zone" (defined as: most of the Middle East and South Asia) is a combatant, unless it can be proven afterwards that this is not the case, and that drones be used to do the killing.

Except for scale, I'm having problems finding the point of departure between these two methods.

LMNO

Under our glorious and noble policy, we don't know who was killed until after the drone strike.  Then we go and sort the bodies.

Those evil, godless Serbs sorted them out before hand.


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Elder Iptuous

hey Cain,
is this policy formalized in writing somewhere, or is it simply their behavior and statements in reply to complaints that form the policy? i've seen a few articles discussing the policy, but haven't seen where it is actually pointed out...

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Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 05, 2012, 03:59:30 PM
Simple answer: Our government is evil.

Not a difficult concept to grasp.

A lot of the people here are evil and/or batshit, too. They were playing Sousa marches in Walgreen's after 9-11.  :horrormirth:
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Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2012, 01:41:45 PM
...what exactly is the difference between Obama's "kill list" policy and the policy of the Serbian Army at Srebrencia?

Just thinking about it, the policy of the latter was that any "military-age" male be seperated from the population at large, then killed as a possible enemy combatant.

Obama's policy is that any "military-age" male in a "strike zone" (defined as: most of the Middle East and South Asia) is a combatant, unless it can be proven afterwards that this is not the case, and that drones be used to do the killing.

Except for scale, I'm having problems finding the point of departure between these two methods.

We're doing it for FREEDOM, and the other guys weren't.

Of course I don't believe that, but I'm not trying to be flip.  That's what almost everyone I know actually believes.
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Cain

Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 05, 2012, 03:23:01 PM
hey Cain,
is this policy formalized in writing somewhere, or is it simply their behavior and statements in reply to complaints that form the policy? i've seen a few articles discussing the policy, but haven't seen where it is actually pointed out...

The formalized policy exists, in writing.  Obama's very big on paper trails, chains of accountability and so on.  He is, in fact, at the very centre of the entire assassination process.  It's essentially a modern day version of the Roman Emperor giving the thumbs up or the thumbs down, only with powerpoint slides of suspected terrorists.  Anyone who dies will be reported as a "militant" or "combatant" unless proof emerges afterwards that they definitely were not.

However, I have been reliably informed by liberals that criticising such a policy will only make Sarah Palin demiurge over this material Universe, through processes they cannot precisely explain, but certainly feel very strongly. 

Elder Iptuous

I've heard descriptions of the process, and it's pretty chilling, but i'd love to have something to point at when discussing with people that i know that still support Obama.
It's crazy.

Cain


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The other options being Romney or simply sitting the election out, it's not like we really have a choice here.  :x
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BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 05, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
The other options being Romney or simply sitting the election out, it's not like we really have a choice here.  :x

You can vote third party.  They may not win but the major parties do pay attention to which third parties get how many votes.
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Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 05, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
The other options being Romney or simply sitting the election out, it's not like we really have a choice here.  :x

You can vote third party.  They may not win but the major parties do pay attention to which third parties get how many votes.

lol

here in mexico the trend for radicals is to rather not vote, by voting you are only legitimizing a shit system with shit options
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BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 05, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 05, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
The other options being Romney or simply sitting the election out, it's not like we really have a choice here.  :x

You can vote third party.  They may not win but the major parties do pay attention to which third parties get how many votes.

lol

here in mexico the trend for radicals is to rather not vote, by voting you are only legitimizing a shit system with shit options

In the US the assumption is if you don't vote you don't care.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

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Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 05, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 05, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
The other options being Romney or simply sitting the election out, it's not like we really have a choice here.  :x

You can vote third party.  They may not win but the major parties do pay attention to which third parties get how many votes.

lol

here in mexico the trend for radicals is to rather not vote, by voting you are only legitimizing a shit system with shit options

In the US the assumption is if you don't vote you don't care.

a very comforting and convenient interpretation

Edit: fixed my quotation
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

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Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2012, 01:41:45 PM
...what exactly is the difference between Obama's "kill list" policy and the policy of the Serbian Army at Srebrencia?

Just thinking about it, the policy of the latter was that any "military-age" male be seperated from the population at large, then killed as a possible enemy combatant.

Obama's policy is that any "military-age" male in a "strike zone" (defined as: most of the Middle East and South Asia) is a combatant, unless it can be proven afterwards that this is not the case, and that drones be used to do the killing.

Except for scale, I'm having problems finding the point of departure between these two methods.

When the president does it, it's not a crime.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 05, 2012, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 05, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 05, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
The other options being Romney or simply sitting the election out, it's not like we really have a choice here.  :x

You can vote third party.  They may not win but the major parties do pay attention to which third parties get how many votes.

lol

here in mexico the trend for radicals is to rather not vote, by voting you are only legitimizing a shit system with shit options

In the US the assumption is if you don't vote you don't care.

a very comforting and convenient interpretation

Yet probably fairly accurate, at least here in the US.
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