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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, June 06, 2012, 02:03:42 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#15
June 06, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 06, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
That, and the unions very cozy relationship with WEA Trust.  You might want to google that.

You know, I looked it up, and WEA Trust does not finance the union in any way, other than as a health insurance company.  They are also under investigation for ripping teachers off at retirement, and the teacher's union has not lifted a finger to forestall that.

So why would you be so interested in WEA Trust?  Because they're a health insurance company, and your right wing pals have a problem with health insurance for the little people:

QuoteSen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) on Monday said she pushed years ago for health insurance to be removed from collective bargaining agreements, but former Gov. Jim Doyle vetoed the move.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/126151423.html

Once again, Disco Pickle has demonstrated his pre-rich credentials, and is a fine addition to the teabagger movement, in any location or capacity.

I salute you, sir.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#16
June 06, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
You know, each time I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he may just be pointing out that no one is perfect, and then you get...

The Good Reverend Roger

#17
June 06, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 06, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
You know, each time I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he may just be pointing out that no one is perfect, and then you get...

I get...?

Happy?

In a festive mood?

SO HAPPY TO SEE MY PAL DISCO PICKLE COME BACK TO TELL US WHAT'S WHAT CONCERNING THOSE PO' PEOPLES?

:banana:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Disco Pickle

#18
June 06, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 06, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 06, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
That, and the unions very cozy relationship with WEA Trust.  You might want to google that.

You know, I looked it up, and WEA Trust does not finance the union in any way, other than as a health insurance company.  They are also under investigation for ripping teachers off at retirement, and the teacher's union has not lifted a finger to forestall that.

So why would you be so interested in WEA Trust?  Because they're a health insurance company, and your right wing pals have a problem with health insurance for the little people:

QuoteSen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) on Monday said she pushed years ago for health insurance to be removed from collective bargaining agreements, but former Gov. Jim Doyle vetoed the move.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/126151423.html

Once again, Disco Pickle has demonstrated his pre-rich credentials, and is a fine addition to the teabagger movement, in any location or capacity.

I salute you, sir.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2012/may/21/behind-rhetoric-wea-trust-and-school-health-care-c/

That should help you see the connections you missed in whatever it was you read.

I'll ignore the cheap shots.
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

The Good Reverend Roger

#19
June 06, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 06, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
I'll ignore the cheap shots.

What cheap shots?  You made your position crystal clear when you said that "poor children deserve whatever they get, if their parents can't work two jobs AND take care of their education."  Or words to that effect.

So this is, to my mind, just more of the same.  You were more fortunate than most, and for you that is a reason to spit on those less fortunate.   You're what we in the church call a "Pay'Bucker", which is a slightly more wealthy version of a "po'bucker"...Still not rich, but "destined to be so".  For some reason.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Disco Pickle

#20
June 06, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 06, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
You know, each time I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he may just be pointing out that no one is perfect, and then you get...

I appreciate the consideration LMNO.  What gave you the "and then you get..." this time?  What he replied to the post, or something you read yourself that contradicted the information I have?

It's by no means a cut and dry issue.  I did think it was getting a bit whitewashed as "Oh, poor unions that never did a thing to deserve it are now getting punished"

So nothing to say about the Viagra incident Rev.?
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

The Good Reverend Roger

#21
June 06, 2012, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 06, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
So nothing to say about the Viagra incident Rev.?

The what?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#22
June 06, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
Thing that's funny is, LMNO actually has money, DP.  He has so much money, he could actually afford to pay for someone to sleep with you.

But he doesn't need to shit all over poor people on a regular basis.  The difference, I think, is that he acknowledges that luck had a lot to do with things, so he lacks the deep-seated insecurity you display...By which I mean the insistance that you're better off because you're better, and the need to shit all over anyone below your income level to prove it.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#23
June 06, 2012, 09:00:56 PM
Disco,

It's a false equivalance.  A union spent money for something some people considered frivolous.  Therefore, the only solution is to strip all unions of their equal bargaining rights, no matter that one has nothing to do with the other.

Except for the police and fire department, of course.  Unions that backed the govenor didn't get cut. 

The Good Reverend Roger

#24
June 06, 2012, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 06, 2012, 09:00:56 PM
Disco,

It's a false equivalance.  A union spent money for something some people considered frivolous.  Therefore, the only solution is to strip all unions of their equal bargaining rights, no matter that one has nothing to do with the other.

Except for the police and fire department, of course.  Unions that backed the govenor didn't get cut.

Oh, wait.  Someone got Viagra from their health insurance, so all unions are bad?   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Disco Pickle

#25
June 06, 2012, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 06, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 06, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
I'll ignore the cheap shots.

What cheap shots?  You made your position crystal clear when you said that "poor children deserve whatever they get, if their parents can't work two jobs AND take care of their education."  Or words to that effect.

So this is, to my mind, just more of the same.  You were more fortunate than most, and for you that is a reason to spit on those less fortunate.   You're what we in the church call a "Pay'Bucker", which is a slightly more wealthy version of a "po'bucker"...Still not rich, but "destined to be so".  For some reason.

So fortunate, in fact, that my 50 year old, alcoholic, cocaine, and narcotic pill addicted mother died just 3 years ago right before she turned 50, and it now looks like my father is doing his best to join her. 

Man, what a privileged childhood I had, that allows me to
Quotespit on those less fortunate
(something I've never done, btw, despite that completely false quotation)

And here I thought we could have some civilized discourse.  Silly me.

"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

Cain

#26
June 06, 2012, 09:08:45 PM
QuoteAnd here I thought we could have some civilized discourse.

Historically, that seems to depend more on your blood alcohol content than any other factor.

Disco Pickle

#27
June 06, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 06, 2012, 09:00:56 PM
Disco,

It's a false equivalance.  A union spent money for something some people considered frivolous.  Therefore, the only solution is to strip all unions of their equal bargaining rights, no matter that one has nothing to do with the other.

Except for the police and fire department, of course.  Unions that backed the govenor didn't get cut.

It was only the teachers union that was having restrictions put on their collective barganing.  It wasn't even a "you can't collectively bargain" deal, it was very specific and concerned things just like the Viagra incident.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 06, 2012, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 06, 2012, 09:00:56 PM
Disco,

It's a false equivalance.  A union spent money for something some people considered frivolous.  Therefore, the only solution is to strip all unions of their equal bargaining rights, no matter that one has nothing to do with the other.

Except for the police and fire department, of course.  Unions that backed the govenor didn't get cut.

Oh, wait.  Someone got Viagra from their health insurance, so all unions are bad?   :lulz:

Please to quote where I said anything of the sort or GTFO.
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

Disco Pickle

#28
June 06, 2012, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 06, 2012, 09:08:45 PM
QuoteAnd here I thought we could have some civilized discourse.

Historically, that seems to depend more on your blood alcohol content than any other factor.

I'm at work at the moment with a half hour to kill.

I know, and I took careful note and hung back for a few months until I thought I could approach the board more like a human and less like a child itching for a pissing contest.  I don't come here anymore with a few in me with the sole intent to argue. 

I didn't like who I was in that mindset, and I when I heard enough times that I was an asshole, I decided that's not how I wanted to post here.
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

LMNO

#29
June 06, 2012, 09:22:16 PM
Disco, what the Hell are you talking about?

QuoteThe Walker-backed bill proposed taking away the ability of public sector unions to bargain collectively over pensions and health care and limiting pay raises of public employees to the rate of inflation, as well as ending automatic union dues collection by the state and requiring public unions to recertify annually.[29][30] The bargaining changes exempted the unions of public safety officers, including police, firefighters, and state troopers.

"Public sector unions." Not "Just the teachers union". Also, "collective bargaining rights over pension, health care, and raises", not "make sure they can't do something stupid about Viagra."

And incidentally, if union members thought the unions were being stupid, THEY COULD ELECT NEW REPRESENTATIVES.
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