Finding Balance

[Verbal Mike]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

In fact, if a stranger issues a moral edict that I agree with, I will show him that I make up my own fucking mind by pulling the wool over my own fucking eyes, inserting my thumbs into my ears, and wiggling my fingers fucking profusely.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

I see that you've made up your own mind that cognitive bias that causes you to make a sweeping generalization about a whole group of people based on the actions of a few is somehow "fucking not the same thing" as cognitive bias that causes you to make a sweeping generalization about some other whole group of people based on the actions of a few. 

TFYS implies thinking.

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

In fact, if a stranger issues a moral edict that I agree with, I will show him that I make up my own fucking mind by pulling the wool over my own fucking eyes, inserting my thumbs into my ears, and wiggling my fingers fucking profusely.

LALALALA NOT LISTENING! BOW TO YOUR OWN FUCKING EDICTS! 

[Phox]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

In fact, if a stranger issues a moral edict that I agree with, I will show him that I make up my own fucking mind by pulling the wool over my own fucking eyes, inserting my thumbs into my ears, and wiggling my fingers fucking profusely.

See, Net, I dunno why you and I don't get along all the time. I was going to make a similar post, with more profanity and use of the word "retard", and then I decided against it, only to find you posted this. The fack, man? 

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

In fact, if a stranger issues a moral edict that I agree with, I will show him that I make up my own fucking mind by pulling the wool over my own fucking eyes, inserting my thumbs into my ears, and wiggling my fingers fucking profusely.

See, Net, I dunno why you and I don't get along all the time. I was going to make a similar post, with more profanity and use of the word "retard", and then I decided against it, only to find you posted this. The fack, man? 

I don't know either, Phox, I've always liked you, even when you're disagreeing with me.

[Phox]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

In fact, if a stranger issues a moral edict that I agree with, I will show him that I make up my own fucking mind by pulling the wool over my own fucking eyes, inserting my thumbs into my ears, and wiggling my fingers fucking profusely.

See, Net, I dunno why you and I don't get along all the time. I was going to make a similar post, with more profanity and use of the word "retard", and then I decided against it, only to find you posted this. The fack, man? 

I don't know either, Phox, I've always liked you, even when you're disagreeing with me.

I know, man! I don't have a problem with you either! We should be pals. 

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

No it's fucking not the same thing.

And the idea is to make up your own fucking mind, not to bow to the moral edicts of strangers online.

In fact, if a stranger issues a moral edict that I agree with, I will show him that I make up my own fucking mind by pulling the wool over my own fucking eyes, inserting my thumbs into my ears, and wiggling my fingers fucking profusely.

See, Net, I dunno why you and I don't get along all the time. I was going to make a similar post, with more profanity and use of the word "retard", and then I decided against it, only to find you posted this. The fack, man? 

I don't know either, Phox, I've always liked you, even when you're disagreeing with me.

I know, man! I don't have a problem with you either! We should be pals. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I dunno, Kai. Now that I can see the Fnords, I kinda like 'em.

Shoot me if I'm missing something, but escaping cognitive bias completely is impossible, and when it comes to something basically insignificant like the "27 club" stuff, who the hell cares?

Of course its impossible to escape it completely. We're human beings with a brain wired to find connections. Its how we survived to escape the trees, the bears, the tigers, the lions and the dude named Ook from the tribe next door.

If we try to catch instances where we're exhibiting cognitive bias and try to resolve it... then its more likely that we will 'train our brain' to be better at catching cognitive bias and resolving it. If we don't recognize it, we're likely to be running around writing 23, Bilderburg and Illuminati all over our walls while wearing tin foil hats.

All that being said there's nothing wrong (IMO) with utilizing popular social memes. If we understand that musicians aren't more likely to die at the age of 27 than anyone else, we can reference 'The 27 Club' as a meme, without the confusion of cognitive bias.  "He's in the 27 Club" is true in some sense. Of course its also false in some sense and meaningless in some sense... like most of the patterns we humans 'recognize'.

As for 'TFY,S!', its all about your brain. After all, we live in this world of existing things, ordering them and disordering them for fun until Eris calls us home for dinner. If we understand that we're just ordering and disordering for fun, then I don't think its unhealthy. If, on the other hand, we really really really believe the ordering for realz... well you're likely to turn into a reporter for Infowars.

[AFK]

It isn't a concept, it's an observation.  And obviously there were very unique circumstances in the lives and deaths of the members, but there are some commonalities too.

Reverend, I think your opinion of drugs has colored everything to such a degree that it is the rose tinted glasses through which you view the universe.

It's almost as if you are a conspiracy theorist.

You've made a bit of a leap with that assumption.  Need I remind folks that Cobain died of a shotgun blast to the head, not drugs.  The commonalities I speak of are not drugs, it is issues of emotional well being, at least with some of the more infamous " members"


And, yes of course it is Law of Fives.

Reverend, law of fives is another name for cognitive bias. If you are not familiar, this is the concept that people choose the observations that fit their particular worldview, and discard observations which would dismiss such a worldview.

For a person to understand what they are thinking and saying is ruled by cognitive bias, to even voice it as such, and then not actually change their attitudes and behavior, this is hypocrisy.

The follow up to discovering cognitive bias isn't continuing in it, but rather /stopping/.

I know what the fucking law of fives is,  Maybe I'm being too subtle and I need to say "I'm not being entirely serious in this stupid Apple Talk thread."


Jesus!


All I was attempting to say was it was an interesting point of conversation.  Obviously most musicians, even troubled ones, live past 27.  Duh!  But it is interesting to discuss  those that didn't.

[Verbal Mike]

I dunno, Kai. Now that I can see the Fnords, I kinda like 'em.

Shoot me if I'm missing something, but escaping cognitive bias completely is impossible, and when it comes to something basically insignificant like the "27 club" stuff, who the hell cares?

Of course its impossible to escape it completely. We're human beings with a brain wired to find connections. Its how we survived to escape the trees, the bears, the tigers, the lions and the dude named Ook from the tribe next door.

If we try to catch instances where we're exhibiting cognitive bias and try to resolve it... then its more likely that we will 'train our brain' to be better at catching cognitive bias and resolving it. If we don't recognize it, we're likely to be running around writing 23, Bilderburg and Illuminati all over our walls while wearing tin foil hats.

All that being said there's nothing wrong (IMO) with utilizing popular social memes. If we understand that musicians aren't more likely to die at the age of 27 than anyone else, we can reference 'The 27 Club' as a meme, without the confusion of cognitive bias.  "He's in the 27 Club" is true in some sense. Of course its also false in some sense and meaningless in some sense... like most of the patterns we humans 'recognize'.

As for 'TFY,S!', its all about your brain. After all, we live in this world of existing things, ordering them and disordering them for fun until Eris calls us home for dinner. If we understand that we're just ordering and disordering for fun, then I don't think its unhealthy. If, on the other hand, we really really really believe the ordering for realz... well you're likely to turn into a reporter for Infowars.

This.

[AFK]

Remember PD.COM, all conversations are super serious all of the time!

[Verbal Mike]

Yes.

I must have forgotten that in my years of exile... How could I!

[Kai]

It isn't a concept, it's an observation.  And obviously there were very unique circumstances in the lives and deaths of the members, but there are some commonalities too.

Reverend, I think your opinion of drugs has colored everything to such a degree that it is the rose tinted glasses through which you view the universe.

It's almost as if you are a conspiracy theorist.

You've made a bit of a leap with that assumption.  Need I remind folks that Cobain died of a shotgun blast to the head, not drugs.  The commonalities I speak of are not drugs, it is issues of emotional well being, at least with some of the more infamous " members"


And, yes of course it is Law of Fives.

Reverend, law of fives is another name for cognitive bias. If you are not familiar, this is the concept that people choose the observations that fit their particular worldview, and discard observations which would dismiss such a worldview.

For a person to understand what they are thinking and saying is ruled by cognitive bias, to even voice it as such, and then not actually change their attitudes and behavior, this is hypocrisy.

The follow up to discovering cognitive bias isn't continuing in it, but rather /stopping/.

I know what the fucking law of fives is,  Maybe I'm being too subtle and I need to say "I'm not being entirely serious in this stupid Apple Talk thread."


Jesus!


All I was attempting to say was it was an interesting point of conversation.  Obviously most musicians, even troubled ones, live past 27.  Duh!  But it is interesting to discuss  those that didn't.

"Obviously this idea isn't true, but it's interesting to talk about it as if it was." That's what I got out of that final statement.

[Placid Dingo]

"Obviously this idea isn't true, but it's interesting to talk about it as if it was." That's what I got out of that final statement.

Isn't part of identifying illusions being able to enjoy them, being conscious of as much?

[AFK]

"Obviously this idea isn't true, but it's interesting to talk about it as if it was." That's what I got out of that final statement.

It is interesting to talk about these certain, very famous and influential, people who all died at the age of 27.  It's watercooler talk.  Don't take everything so damned seriously.