Why has Feminism become a Dirty Word? and Other Misogyny on the Internet.

[The Johnny]

Romantic minority? How is that conceptualized or how does it pertain to feminism?

I have speculation, but i dont really know.

[Freeky]

...but women have the privilege over men of being openly homosexual or bi without threat of violence or social rejection.

No we don't. Bisexual female = heterosexual faking it for male attention (so far as the gay community is concerned). Bisexual or lesbian female = sex object or (too often) a bitch who needs to be fucked by a real man to turn her back.
Which is why I am very, very careful about who I talk to about this/allow to know.

Yes, the whole "The slut just needs a good hard dicking" sentiment is probably why lesbian porn is so popular, otherwise why would guys watch it?  Also, I might be thinking of something else, but isn't raping a lesbian considered some sort of cure in Africa?  I might be thinking of virgins and AIDs, though.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

...but women have the privilege over men of being openly homosexual or bi without threat of violence or social rejection.

No we don't. Bisexual female = heterosexual faking it for male attention (so far as the gay community is concerned). Bisexual or lesbian female = sex object or (too often) a bitch who needs to be fucked by a real man to turn her back.
Which is why I am very, very careful about who I talk to about this/allow to know.

Yes, the whole "The slut just needs a good hard dicking" sentiment is probably why lesbian porn is so popular, otherwise why would guys watch it?  Also, I might be thinking of something else, but isn't raping a lesbian considered some sort of cure in Africa? I might be thinking of virgins and AIDs, though.

I think you are thinking of so called "corrective" rape, where they are just punished for being lesbians, and the sex with virgins thing has also been reported.

[Juana]

^^^^ That.

Romantic minority? How is that conceptualized or how does it pertain to feminism?

I have speculation, but i dont really know.

For some people, romance is not necessarily attached to sexuality, yes? (eg, people who are romantically attracted to men and woman but only heterosexual, or people who are asexual but still want a romantic partner, etc.)
Women can and do have these orientations, and that /needs/ to be respected just as much as a heteroromantic heterosexual woman's.
And then there's intersectionality, too, of course.

[Freeky]

...but women have the privilege over men of being openly homosexual or bi without threat of violence or social rejection.

No we don't. Bisexual female = heterosexual faking it for male attention (so far as the gay community is concerned). Bisexual or lesbian female = sex object or (too often) a bitch who needs to be fucked by a real man to turn her back.
Which is why I am very, very careful about who I talk to about this/allow to know.

Yes, the whole "The slut just needs a good hard dicking" sentiment is probably why lesbian porn is so popular, otherwise why would guys watch it?  Also, I might be thinking of something else, but isn't raping a lesbian considered some sort of cure in Africa? I might be thinking of virgins and AIDs, though.

I think you are thinking of so called "corrective" rape, where they are just punished for being lesbians, and the sex with virgins thing has also been reported.

Ah.

[Kai]

^^^^ That.

Romantic minority? How is that conceptualized or how does it pertain to feminism?

I have speculation, but i dont really know.

For some people, romance is not necessarily attached to sexuality, yes? (eg, people who are romantically attracted to men and woman but only heterosexual, or people who are asexual but still want a romantic partner, etc.)
Women can and do have these orientations, and that /needs/ to be respected just as much as a heteroromantic heterosexual woman's.
And then there's intersectionality, too, of course.

Yeah. Human sexuality and gender is this super fluid thing. Which is why I just use queer and skip all the rest of the labels unless I have intent to sleep with someone.

[Placid Dingo]

...but women have the privilege over men of being openly homosexual or bi without threat of violence or social rejection.

No we don't. Bisexual female = heterosexual faking it for male attention (so far as the gay community is concerned). Bisexual or lesbian female = sex object or (too often) a bitch who needs to be fucked by a real man to turn her back.
Which is why I am very, very careful about who I talk to about this/allow to know.

Yes, the whole "The slut just needs a good hard dicking" sentiment is probably why lesbian porn is so popular, otherwise why would guys watch it?  Also, I might be thinking of something else, but isn't raping a lesbian considered some sort of cure in Africa?  I might be thinking of virgins and AIDs, though.

Or you know, men just like watching pretty girls doing sex things and don't need to have a misogynist hateful attitude to like watching it?

[Placid Dingo]

Garbo, the point I'm making is that, like the kyriachy concept seems to imply, privilege is fluid and men and women both have privilege over eachother in different situations (contexts, locations, situations etc). I'm not interested in going 'my man-problems are worse than your woman problems' but I am interested in the idea that both genders have it easier than the other in some contexts. In the example I gave I don't really think its easy for women to be gay but I'm pretty confident that where I live, being an openly gay male is more likely to get you bashed than openly being a lesbian.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Garbo, the point I'm making is that, like the kyriachy concept seems to imply, privilege is fluid and men and women both have privilege over eachother in different situations (contexts, locations, situations etc). I'm not interested in going 'my man-problems are worse than your woman problems' but I am interested in the idea that both genders have it easier than the other in some contexts. In the example I gave I don't really think its easy for women to be gay but I'm pretty confident that where I live, being an openly gay male is more likely to get you bashed than openly being a lesbian.

You stealth-edited your post, but I was already responding to what you had said so I'm leaving it here.

Most things, most places, are worse for women.

I am not sure why this is so hard for you to believe. What kind of information would you like to help you to believe that is true?

[Placid Dingo]

Garbo, the point I'm making is that, like the kyriachy concept seems to imply, privilege is fluid and men and women both have privilege over eachother in different situations (contexts, locations, situations etc). I'm not interested in going 'my man-problems are worse than your woman problems' but I am interested in the idea that both genders have it easier than the other in some contexts. In the example I gave I don't really think its easy for women to be gay but I'm pretty confident that where I live, being an openly gay male is more likely to get you bashed than openly being a lesbian.

You stealth-edited your post, but I was already responding to what you had said so I'm leaving it here.

Most things, most places, are worse for women.

I am not sure why this is so hard for you to believe. What kind of information would you like to help you to believe that is true?

It's not. I suspect it is true.

I realized that my post was kind of reading like I didn't believe that hence the ninja edit.

But Im saying that I think all social groups, genders, ethnicities have some situations where they're better off than others, even if they're not exactly overwhelmingly meaningful advantages.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Garbo, the point I'm making is that, like the kyriachy concept seems to imply, privilege is fluid and men and women both have privilege over eachother in different situations (contexts, locations, situations etc). I'm not interested in going 'my man-problems are worse than your woman problems' but I am interested in the idea that both genders have it easier than the other in some contexts. In the example I gave I don't really think its easy for women to be gay but I'm pretty confident that where I live, being an openly gay male is more likely to get you bashed than openly being a lesbian.

You stealth-edited your post, but I was already responding to what you had said so I'm leaving it here.

Most things, most places, are worse for women.

I am not sure why this is so hard for you to believe. What kind of information would you like to help you to believe that is true?

It's not. I suspect it is true.

I realized that my post was kind of reading like I didn't believe that hence the ninja edit.

But Im saying that I think all social groups, genders, ethnicities have some situations where they're better off than others, even if they're not exactly overwhelmingly meaningful advantages.

Sure, absolutely. I'm not exactly sure what the relevance of that is, though, in relation to this thread. Can you explain it?

[Placid Dingo]

Someone bought up the word Kyriachy and I got all excited because it was consistent with some ideas I have going on (basically I was developing the idea of Kyriachy myself without knowing it was already a thing). I started talking about the other thing that had been on my mind; to what extent do things like male liberation from gender roles fall under the 'juristiction' of feminism? Is feminism (or should it continue to be) stricty and exclusively about womens rights, or is it a big enough concept to deal with other forms of prejudice?

That was the point of what I was saying. Garbo challenged the example I gave to I was elaborating to try to make sure what I was trying to say was coming through clear.

[Freeky]

...but women have the privilege over men of being openly homosexual or bi without threat of violence or social rejection.

No we don't. Bisexual female = heterosexual faking it for male attention (so far as the gay community is concerned). Bisexual or lesbian female = sex object or (too often) a bitch who needs to be fucked by a real man to turn her back.
Which is why I am very, very careful about who I talk to about this/allow to know.

Yes, the whole "The slut just needs a good hard dicking" sentiment is probably why lesbian porn is so popular, otherwise why would guys watch it?  Also, I might be thinking of something else, but isn't raping a lesbian considered some sort of cure in Africa?  I might be thinking of virgins and AIDs, though.

Or you know, men just like watching pretty girls doing sex things and don't need to have a misogynist hateful attitude to like watching it?

Then I will amend my thinking to put "most" in front of that.  Or even just "some." 

Have I excluded you enough from the statement, or would you like me to say that no man has ever thought that a bitch just needed a real hard dicking to be put right?

[Juana]

ILU FREEKY.


Please provide me with a situation where "female privilege" would exist, Dingo (I'm looking for stats on your assertion regarding the "bi/homosexual females are less likely to be assaulted for being queer" and I gotta tell you, the results are not supporting it. And that's not even including the rape statistics).

[Freeky]

ILU FREEKY.

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Please provide me with a situation where "female privilege" would exist, Dingo (I'm looking for stats on your assertion regarding the "bi/homosexual females are less likely to be assaulted for being queer" and I gotta tell you, the results are not supporting it. And that's not even including the rape statistics).

The only thing I can think of here is with regard to there being any kind of female privilege is not related at all to this discussion, and one usually hears more about it from jilted scumbag exes, and I don't have statistics for it.