Fuck it, I'll put you assknockers in my annotated bibliography. BARBIE TALK!

Started by Freeky, June 21, 2012, 05:40:18 PM

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#30
June 21, 2012, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 21, 2012, 06:40:23 PM

Is it really the barbies you are offended by?

No.  I am offended by people granting things the same status as people.

Does it help you any that Barbie is a character toy?  It's more than just a doll now, there's movies and television shows and books about Barbie the character (who looks like her doll counterpart).

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Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 21, 2012, 06:40:23 PM
Barbie was created to be an adult doll for children.  A doll with anatomy, so that little girls wouldn't be so ashamed when their own anatomy started filling in.

But try marketing one with a realistic body.  A little bit of fat around the waist, maybe shorter, maybe not ALL legs, etc.

They would gather dust on the shelves, because people aren't buying a doll for their children, they're buying an image.

Same thing with GI Joe and/or Ken.  Lots of muscle, and perfect teeth.

Yes, and I'm arguing just what you are.  But I think that Barbie dolls are a lesser contributor to this mess than that.

Anna Mae Bollocks

#31
June 21, 2012, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 21, 2012, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
what were the dimensions of the victorian era dolls? (not the child dolls, but the adult ones)
they seem similarly idealized...

Did they have dolls back then?  :?  I mean, that's a stupid question, I know even as I type it, but Barbie has only been around since the fifties. 

Also, Victorian era was known and noted for their bizarre fashion trends like the corset.  I mean like a real corset, the kind that fucks up your anatomy.

The body type under the clothes and frou-frou was generally like this:



China head and shoulders, forearms and lower legs. Cloth body, usually stuffed with sawdust. More realistic than barbie, proportion-wise, but generally weird.

BTW, did you know that the lady who invented barbie copied her fro a German pr0n comic?  :lulz:

Here's the first ever barbie ad. Note how it ends with a bride outfit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8-avPUxyno&feature=player_embedded
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

The Good Reverend Roger

#33
June 21, 2012, 06:54:50 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 21, 2012, 06:48:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 21, 2012, 06:40:23 PM

Is it really the barbies you are offended by?

No.  I am offended by people granting things the same status as people.

Does it help you any that Barbie is a character toy? 

No, because that's not what barbie is.  Barbie is a conditioning tool that society has been tricked into using on itself, same as GI joe and ken.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Freeky

#34
June 21, 2012, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 21, 2012, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 21, 2012, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
what were the dimensions of the victorian era dolls? (not the child dolls, but the adult ones)
they seem similarly idealized...

Did they have dolls back then?  :?  I mean, that's a stupid question, I know even as I type it, but Barbie has only been around since the fifties. 

Also, Victorian era was known and noted for their bizarre fashion trends like the corset.  I mean like a real corset, the kind that fucks up your anatomy.

The body type under the clothes and frou-frou was generally like this:



China head and shoulders, forearms and lower legs. Cloth body, usually stuffed with sawdust. More realistic than barbie, proportion-wise, but generally weird.

BTW, did you know that the lady who invented barbie copied her fro a German pr0n comic?  :lulz:

Here's the first ever barbie ad. Note how it ends with a bride outfit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8-avPUxyno&feature=player_embedded

I did know that.  :lulz:

Aiiiiiieeeee, I'm looking at that picture and everything looks so PAINFUL.  :horrormirth:  You got a link to that?

Anna Mae Bollocks

#35
June 21, 2012, 06:56:56 PM
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

Elder Iptuous

#36
June 21, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
barbie is just a product that people want, made for the purpose of profit.
what evidence is there that it has nefarious purposes that you ascribe, Roger?

The Good Reverend Roger

#37
June 21, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
barbie is just a product that people want, made for the purpose of profit.
what evidence is there that it has nefarious purposes that you ascribe, Roger?

Other than the impossible figure, perfect teeth and perpetual SMILE, you mean?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Elder Iptuous

#38
June 21, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
barbie is just a product that people want, made for the purpose of profit.
what evidence is there that it has nefarious purposes that you ascribe, Roger?

Other than the impossible figure, perfect teeth and perpetual SMILE, you mean?

yes.

The Good Reverend Roger

#39
June 21, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
barbie is just a product that people want, made for the purpose of profit.
what evidence is there that it has nefarious purposes that you ascribe, Roger?

Other than the impossible figure, perfect teeth and perpetual SMILE, you mean?

yes.

No.  The prosecution rests.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#40
June 21, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
Wait.  Scratch that.  I say that all toys are and have always been training aids.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Anna Mae Bollocks

#41
June 21, 2012, 07:06:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
barbie is just a product that people want, made for the purpose of profit.
what evidence is there that it has nefarious purposes that you ascribe, Roger?

Other than the impossible figure, perfect teeth and perpetual SMILE, you mean?

That first-ever barbie ad?

Mickey Mouse Club.

DISNEY. Nuff said.
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

Elder Iptuous

#42
June 21, 2012, 07:08:01 PM
 :lol:
in light of the evidence, the defense recuses itself from the case.


maginally related...
have any of you guys checked out the 'Japanese Ball Jointed Doll' scene?  i stumbled onto it, and some of those dolls are pretty slick.  if i had a daughter, i'd get/make her one of those instead of the barbie, or bratz, or whatever.

Freeky

#43
June 21, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
http://0-search.proquest.com.library2.pima.edu/docview/420871677/13775B773023E5BDCF4/1?accountid=13194

Can anyone see this article?  It's an announcement of Computer Engineer Barbie.

The Good Reverend Roger

#44
June 21, 2012, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on June 21, 2012, 07:08:01 PM
:lol:
in light of the evidence, the defense recuses itself from the case.


maginally related...
have any of you guys checked out the 'Japanese Ball Jointed Doll' scene?  i stumbled onto it, and some of those dolls are pretty slick.  if i had a daughter, i'd get/make her one of those instead of the barbie, or bratz, or whatever.

When my daughter was very small, she wanted barbies.  I thought about it and decided that her having a few common frames of reference with her peers outweighed the negatives involved.  I spent years encouraging her to think and speak for herself, and things like barbie fell by the wayside by age 8 or so.  And not just the dolls, which go away eventually anyway, but the whole mindset.  She still wears a uniform (you really can't NOT at 16), but at least her uniform is "nonconformity for its own sake", which should, I expect, evolve into "I don't need any particular uniform".
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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