Discordian Feminists

[The Good Reverend Roger]

In some circumstances I consider "Affirmative Action" (forcing gender or race quotas on employment or academic acceptance) to be "special treatment," if it can be shown that there is a more highly qualified candidate for a job or a school, who didn't get a position simply because he or she would have tipped the scales too far in one demographic direction or another.

To achieve anything like equality in the workplace, all groups must be somewhat representative of the general population demographics...IE, 13% Black, ~50% female, etc...Or at least as close as is reasonably possible.  This is how the "token" is avoided.

And if that means that for a couple of decades, we occasionally chose to take the second-best candidate over the best candidate, well, shit happens.

Again, efficiency is an illusion. 

[BabylonHoruv]

W/ regard to "special treatment," I'd rather not get punched, because I am a chick and my bones are mucho brittle from babby having.

Also, getting punched sucks.

The end.

Most people don't want to be punched.  Most people should not be punched even if they are being annoying or confrontational.  Smaller more physically delicate people should especcially not be punched and women tend to be smaller and more physically delicate, but a small, physically delicate woman who initiates physical conflict should be punched just as much as a man should.

I've always considered myself a feminist, I was raised by feminists and it's one aspect of my upbringing that I never rebelled against.  Discordianism has caused me to examine my assumptions about feminism and gender relations more critically, but I haven't changed any of my beliefs in any sort of drastic way on the topic.

[Reginald Ret]

My momma tried to raise me gender-neutral, it mostly worked.
After i had met a few of both sexes i quickly came to the conclusion that both were often stupid.
Especially the ones that were too busy playing their assigned gender to bother developing an identity.

You know what type of feminist annoys me? the ones that want the benefits without the corresponding downsides.
I have at least one female colleague who refuses to lift anything heavier than 5 kg because 'heavy lifting is for men'.
For clarification we work in a warehouse, lifting stuff is about 80% of the job.
It is almost enough to make me sympathetic to those colleagues who say that men should be paid more than women in physically demanding jobs.
Hey princess, the reason why lifting is so hard for you? it's because you never did it before. It gets easier the more you do it. All you've gotten good at is asking others for help and batting your eyelids.
I don't expect weaker people (regardless of gender) to do the heavy lifting but i do expect you to do what you can.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The lifting thing has some basis in fact. Men tend to have more upper-body strength. If I have to move a refrigerator, my first choice is find a guy in decent shape to do it, my second choice is myself and another female.

But yeah. Some people milk it. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You know what type of feminist annoys me? the ones that want the benefits without the corresponding downsides.

I have never seen that.  Not once.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

You know what type of feminist annoys me? the ones that want the benefits without the corresponding downsides.

I have never seen that.  Not once.

I don't think the downsides are avoidable.

"IT'S THE 21ST CENTURY, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, BITCH!"

NOT saying that's feminism per se, or what feminism was intended to be. Just that it ended up with a lot of women leaving the kids home alone and going to flip burgers.

America: could fuck up a wet dream.

[LMNO]

You know what type of feminist annoys me? the ones that want the benefits without the corresponding downsides.

I have never seen that.  Not once.

I've seen the behavior, but they haven't self-identified as "feminist".

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You know what type of feminist annoys me? the ones that want the benefits without the corresponding downsides.

I have never seen that.  Not once.

I've seen the behavior, but they haven't self-identified as "feminist".

Then the behavior isn't as he described it.

I have NEVER met a feminist, for example, that believed that women should not be eligible for a draft, if a draft is in place.  Interestingly enough, I have never met a feminist that agrees on a draft for ANYONE, unless the country is actually being invaded.  However, if told a draft would exist anyway, the answer is always "then draft both genders".

[EK WAFFLR]

You know what type of feminist annoys me? the ones that want the benefits without the corresponding downsides.

I have never seen that.  Not once.

I've seen the behavior, but they haven't self-identified as "feminist".

Then the behavior isn't as he described it.

I have NEVER met a feminist, for example, that believed that women should not be eligible for a draft, if a draft is in place.  Interestingly enough, I have never met a feminist that agrees on a draft for ANYONE, unless the country is actually being invaded.  However, if told a draft would exist anyway, the answer is always "then draft both genders".

I've seen that behaviour in a few women who called themselves feminists.  Very few, but they do exist.



On topic: discordia has not changed my views on much, but it has challenged the way I look at the term feminism.
Most people who identilfy as "feminists" in Norway are of the radical kind, so the word has long had negative connotations in my brain.
But since I started frequenting this here forum, the word doesn't taste as bad anymore.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Most people who identilfy as "feminists" in Norway are of the radical kind, so the word has long had negative connotations in my brain.

Define "radical" in this context, please.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

A lot of the time the Radical wing of the feminist movement can be all people see of feminism, but I think i already mentioned the straw feminist trope that is most people's experience of feminism in the media.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
This is Wikipedia@s definition of Radical Feminism... 

[EK WAFFLR]

Most people who identilfy as "feminists" in Norway are of the radical kind, so the word has long had negative connotations in my brain.

Define "radical" in this context, please.

I quickly read up on terms a bit here, to answer this better, and "radical" may have been the wrong word.
What I did mean was that the loud majority of feminists in Norway are of the Andrea Dworkin type.

A lot of the time the Radical wing of the feminist movement can be all people see of feminism, but I think i already mentioned the straw feminist trope that is most people's experience of feminism in the media.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
This is Wikipedia@s definition of Radical Feminism... 

Yes, and thanks to, among others, you, I have managed to see beyond the shouting extremists.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Most people who identilfy as "feminists" in Norway are of the radical kind, so the word has long had negative connotations in my brain.

Define "radical" in this context, please.

I quickly read up on terms a bit here, to answer this better, and "radical" may have been the wrong word.
What I did mean was that the loud majority of feminists in Norway are of the Andrea Dworkin type.

That's not feminism, it's misandry.

[EK WAFFLR]

Most people who identilfy as "feminists" in Norway are of the radical kind, so the word has long had negative connotations in my brain.

Define "radical" in this context, please.

I quickly read up on terms a bit here, to answer this better, and "radical" may have been the wrong word.
What I did mean was that the loud majority of feminists in Norway are of the Andrea Dworkin type.

That's not feminism, it's misandry.

Oh, I've come to realise that, but for many years, that was what feminism looked like to me.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Most people who identilfy as "feminists" in Norway are of the radical kind, so the word has long had negative connotations in my brain.

Define "radical" in this context, please.

I quickly read up on terms a bit here, to answer this better, and "radical" may have been the wrong word.
What I did mean was that the loud majority of feminists in Norway are of the Andrea Dworkin type.

That's not feminism, it's misandry.

Oh, I've come to realise that, but for many years, that was what feminism looked like to me.

And that is exactly what is used as an example of feminism by misogynists and Cletii.