A curiosity about the South, for people who live here

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Anyone who thinks Nathan Bedford Forrest was anything but an asshole and a terrorist has some serious learning problems.

Or simply never read about him.  It HAS been 150 years, just about.

But the facts are:

1.  The KKK was NOT a "social organization", it was a terrorist organization that did some charity work for Quality People on the side (confederate widows, etc), and

2.  The KKK was terrorist from the word go, and

3.  The KKK was a direct result of the war and the occupation.  Ignoring it is to basically not talk about the post-war period.

4.  It's not "knee-jerking" if it's the truth.

This.

It's not like NBF was an aberration.

GA will be along to tell us what horrible Americans we are in 3...2...1...

Yeah. And how the Klan is rilly, rilly like the Shriners. 

You're just saying that because you haet teh due process & all-White juries.   

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I know people don't like the simple "racism is everywhere" statement, but, well racism IS everywhere and seems to be an engrained trait of humanity.  And it morphs and takes on other flavors, bigotry, religious intolerance. 

Basically, one set of people who think another set of people's reality grids aren't just wrong, they are EVIL wrong. 

Obama's drone strike policy, the belief that it's okay to stone women to death for premarital sex, and finding no moral qualms with systemic bank fraud are quite "evil wrong" reality grids.

Rejecting such reality grids is in no way comparable to racism and an utterly retarded line of thinking.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I know people don't like the simple "racism is everywhere" statement, but, well racism IS everywhere and seems to be an engrained trait of humanity.  And it morphs and takes on other flavors, bigotry, religious intolerance. 

Basically, one set of people who think another set of people's reality grids aren't just wrong, they are EVIL wrong. 

Obama's drone strike policy, the belief that it's okay to stone women to death for premarital sex, and finding no moral qualms with systemic bank fraud are quite "evil wrong" reality grids.

Rejecting such reality grids is in no way comparable to racism and an utterly retarded line of thinking.

This.

Sometimes there IS plain-out right & wrong.  Some issues are relative, some are not.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Anyone who thinks Nathan Bedford Forrest was anything but an asshole and a terrorist has some serious learning problems.

Or simply never read about him.  It HAS been 150 years, just about.

But the facts are:

1.  The KKK was NOT a "social organization", it was a terrorist organization that did some charity work for Quality People on the side (confederate widows, etc), and

2.  The KKK was terrorist from the word go, and

3.  The KKK was a direct result of the war and the occupation.  Ignoring it is to basically not talk about the post-war period.

4.  It's not "knee-jerking" if it's the truth.

This.

It's not like NBF was an aberration.

GA will be along to tell us what horrible Americans we are in 3...2...1...

Yeah. And how the Klan is rilly, rilly like the Shriners. 

You're just saying that because you haet teh due process & all-White juries.   

[AFK]

I know people don't like the simple "racism is everywhere" statement, but, well racism IS everywhere and seems to be an engrained trait of humanity.  And it morphs and takes on other flavors, bigotry, religious intolerance. 

Basically, one set of people who think another set of people's reality grids aren't just wrong, they are EVIL wrong. 

Obama's drone strike policy, the belief that it's okay to stone women to death for premarital sex, and finding no moral qualms with systemic bank fraud are quite "evil wrong" reality grids.

Rejecting such reality grids is in no way comparable to racism and an utterly retarded line of thinking.

Since when is Obama a "set of people"?


And I'm talking about cultures, not policy.

[Freeky]

So you're just trolling again, I see.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I know people don't like the simple "racism is everywhere" statement, but, well racism IS everywhere and seems to be an engrained trait of humanity.  And it morphs and takes on other flavors, bigotry, religious intolerance. 

Basically, one set of people who think another set of people's reality grids aren't just wrong, they are EVIL wrong. 

Obama's drone strike policy, the belief that it's okay to stone women to death for premarital sex, and finding no moral qualms with systemic bank fraud are quite "evil wrong" reality grids.

Rejecting such reality grids is in no way comparable to racism and an utterly retarded line of thinking.

Since when is Obama a "set of people"?


And I'm talking about cultures, not policy.

Describe the difference.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

So you're just trolling attention whoring again, I see.

Another possible fix

[AFK]

Well there really is no comparison to a policy of an individual. Being against Obama's military policy isn't even remotely comparable to hating on someone because of the color of their skin, or who they date, or who they pray too.  I would figure it is pretty obvious that is NOT what I'm talking about when I talk about reality grids.


I'm talking about reality grids how the PD talked about them and made specific references to cultures and how cultures descriminated against other cultures because their grids didn't line up. 


I would argue that stoning women is a similar thing, though admittedtly there is an element of culture that informs that belief.  But I don't think being against that policy is evil or wrong and I think it is a stupid-ass stretch to even assume they would be in the same ballpark.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well there really is no comparison to a policy of an individual.

Obama, in his capacity as CINC and president, isn't an individual.  He is the elected choice of ~ 51% of the nation.  If you don't like his policies, go vote for the other liar.  Until then, he's the "face" of the country, when it comes to the important business of blowing villages up.

[AFK]

Uh, okay, but what the hell does that have to do with the topic being discussed?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Uh, okay, but what the hell does that have to do with the topic being discussed?

Okay, whatever.

[AFK]

Exactly, it has fuck-all to do with racism.  I don't know why the connection was even made.  Being against policy is a lot different than being against a people or a culture.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Exactly, it has fuck-all to do with racism.  I don't know why the connection was even made.  Being against policy is a lot different than being against a people or a culture.

WELL, WE'VE CERTAINLY TURNED THIS DEBATE AROUND 360 DEGREES.

The RWHN method:

Argue a point.
Lose.
Claim that you're off topic.
Reassert the failed point as if the discussion never took place.

Fuckwad.

[AFK]

You got the first two wrong.  Someone argued a stupid point that my point somehow means that people can't be against policy without being "evil".  I never suggested anything remotely close to that.  It's just nutso!