News:

That line from the father's song in Mary Poppins, where he's going on about how nothing can go wrong, in Britain in 1910.  That's about the point I realized the boy was gonna die in a trench.

Main Menu

Oh Noez! What about Teh Menz? -Patriarchy isn't a dude's friend EITHER!

Started by Pope Pixie Pickle, August 07, 2012, 11:33:24 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

LMNO

UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION TIME.



So, what does a Nice Guy Biped* do when, in the course of his day, he encounters a woman who, without any obvious, intentional, or even on self-reflective analysis devoid of any bias on the man's part, is simply a bad person who seems to relish or othewise freely demonstrate the negative stereotypes typically associated with women?



In other words, when can a man freely criticize a woman's behavior and not be considered sexist?








*as opposed to douchey monkey-brained spag.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 08, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION TIME.



So, what does a Nice Guy Biped* do when, in the course of his day, he encounters a woman who, without any obvious, intentional, or even on self-reflective analysis devoid of any bias on the man's part, is simply a bad person who seems to relish or othewise freely demonstrate the negative stereotypes typically associated with women?



In other words, when can a man freely criticize a woman's behavior and not be considered sexist?








*as opposed to douchey monkey-brained spag.

I usually go with "That person is an ASSHOLE", and leave it at that.  Asshole is a gender-neutral term that covers almost every behavior a human can exhibit.

If someone needs criticizing, then by all means get on it. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 08, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION TIME.



So, what does a Nice Guy Biped* do when, in the course of his day, he encounters a woman who, without any obvious, intentional, or even on self-reflective analysis devoid of any bias on the man's part, is simply a bad person who seems to relish or othewise freely demonstrate the negative stereotypes typically associated with women?



In other words, when can a man freely criticize a woman's behavior and not be considered sexist?








*as opposed to douchey monkey-brained spag.

You can always criticize bad behavior, IMO.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Johnny


Now, if you call her a "bitch" or a "cunt", that would be equivalent to calling a black man "nigger" in a heated argument.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Johnny

<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Phox

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 08, 2012, 11:44:57 PM

But maybe calling her a "harpy" would be appropiate?
Erm. Aside from being less vulgar, I don't see how that's any different, as all of those terms have the same general meaning.

The Johnny

A "harpy" in mythology is female... but the insult is drawing a comparison thru the behaviour, rather than the degradation to the comparison to a lesser being or the equiparation to its sexual organ.

What you guys think  :?
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Freeky

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 08, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
A "harpy" in mythology is female... but the insult is drawing a comparison thru the behaviour, rather than the degradation to the comparison to a lesser being or the equiparation to its sexual organ.

What you guys think  :?

connotation of harpy:  shrill, annoyance, not human (therefore can be treated as subhuman), violent or wildly unreasonable.

No, I'm with Phox on this one.

Phox

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 08, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
A "harpy" in mythology is female... but the insult is drawing a comparison thru the behaviour, rather than the degradation to the comparison to a lesser being or the equiparation to its sexual organ.

What you guys think  :?
"harpy" as an English insult, is used almost exclusively as an insult to women, and means "an unpleasant woman", approximately. As far as I've experienced it, it is even more gender rigid than "cunt" or "bitch", so the question is, how is it fundamentally different?

Phox

Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 08, 2012, 11:56:03 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 08, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
A "harpy" in mythology is female... but the insult is drawing a comparison thru the behaviour, rather than the degradation to the comparison to a lesser being or the equiparation to its sexual organ.

What you guys think  :?

connotation of harpy:  shrill, annoyance, not human (therefore can be treated as subhuman), violent or wildly unreasonable.

No, I'm with Phox on this one.
^ Bingo.

Freeky

Also, weren't the people part of harpies ugly, old women?  Seems like that's part of the connotation, "Ugly" or "unattractive"

EK WAFFLR

"At first I lifted weights.  But then I asked myself, 'why not people?'  Now everyone runs for the fjord when they see me."


Horribly Oscillating Assbasket of Deliciousness
[/b]


Freeky