No Cause, No Ally

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

When people argued for civil rights and it devolved into drama, they really ought to have just never rehashed the argument until it started to take.

[Faust]

Feminism: even worse than libertarian, anarchism, or magickque threads.

Got it.

It's disingenious to imply that is what was said. It is obvious that we as a forum are worse at discussing this topic then those other ones objectively without descending to bickering.
It's a failure on our part, feminist or no.

[Cain]

No, he's right, I really was criticizing all of feminism with my comments.  By criticizing the conduct of the board in discussing feminism, what I am actually saying is that feminist philosophy is worse than a thousand Hitlers. 



This is the most pathetic hatchet job ever, and I'm including The Cellar's attempts to misinterpret my comments in that assessment.  That Net brought up "rehashing" again, when I clearly said it had nothing to do with that, tells you everything about the sincerity of his comments.

[Cain]

Of course, the real irony here is that Net is helping me in justifying my original comments.

[P3nT4gR4m]

All any of this changed my mind about was feminism. There isn't a "first wave", "second wave", etc., it's all Gloria Steinem first wave man-hate with a thin, faux gentle veneer of "this is for everybody's benefit!"

I remain pro-choice, etc. AS A HUMAN BEING, but I would MUCH rather be called "cunt" than "feminist".

At least "cunt" is honest.

We really, really got wrapped up in feminism as for what it means to women, so I understand where you're coming from, and parts of the discussion left me with a bad taste, too (some of which is my fault, let's be real). But I think it's generally acknowledged that feminism without intersectionality (because all bigotry and oppression feeds into other kinds) is meaningless, because it pretty much takes care of straight, affluent, white, Western women and leaves everyone else (women in the rest of the world, PoC, the queer community, the poor, etc.) out in the cold. It ends up boiling down into another flavor of bigotry because it's so exclusionary, intentionally or otherwise.

All politics are exclusionary.

I want to agree with that, but in order to fix shit, there needs to be some politics. There needs to be recognition that there are groups with fewer rights and freedoms and there needs to be action (in the courts, legislation, on the ground changes like your egalitarianism) to solve that. Because without that, how can we even hope to make everyone properly equal?

There's something horribly wrong with the bolded statement but I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is that bothers me about it.

That this attitude wants to fix divisions in society by focusing on divisions in society?

How else are you supposed to remedy them? How else are you supposed to help end the wage gap or shut down the prison-industrial complex or stop transphobic hate crimes? You have to acknowledge these problems AS problems in order to fix them.

That was not why I took issue with the phrase.

However, that aside, I missed the part where I was interested in fixing the world's problems. And I suspect there are alot of people here who feel the same. If it's something you aspire to, then I think that's fine and I hope you succeed. But my life is too short, I barely have enough time to enjoy it as it is. And yeah, I know, it's easy for me to say that because I'm a white man born in the right country.

Yeah, I think that the people who are on the pointy end of the stick don't really feel like they can relax about it and go with the flow, so much.

Believe me, I understand completely. And when I find myself confronted with other peoples' bigotry or intolerance, I don't stay quiet, nor do I fail to act if I see someone being harassed or threatened because of other peoples' bigotry or intolerance, even if they're a stranger to me. But that's about as far as it goes. I have no interest in that kind of activism both for selfish personal reasons and because I generally can't stand the crowd it attracts. If that makes me a douchebag, I can live with that.

This stuck in my mind. Been having a think about it and I'm pretty sure it's not "the crowd it attracts" that bugs me, pers se, it's that, after a point, any activist movement naturally attract a number of complete fucking idiots. This is no reflection on the valididty of whatever the cause is, merely a function of statistical mathematics but, once a cause has idiots in it, it's kinda like a wooden house having termites, the whole thing is headed directly to retard central.

After a certain point "strength in numbers" becomes a fallacy.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

No, he's right, I really was criticizing all of feminism with my comments.  By criticizing the conduct of the board in discussing feminism, what I am actually saying is that feminist philosophy is worse than a thousand Hitlers. 



This is the most pathetic hatchet job ever, and I'm including The Cellar's attempts to misinterpret my comments in that assessment.  That Net brought up "rehashing" again, when I clearly said it had nothing to do with that, tells you everything about the sincerity of his comments.

Of course you can't be wrong in your interpretation of my comments, and there's no way that I was referring to how we discuss feminism. I left off "thread" when I mentioned feminism, therefore I was making the ridiculous assertion you claim I was. Right.

And it's simply disingenuous of me to think that you left for a while after you threw a fit about the horrors of rehashed arguments that involve drugs (compared often on the board to other often rehashed topics such as libertarianism, anarchism, magickque, etc.).

[tyrannosaurus vex]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST
get along?

[Cain]

Of course you can't be wrong in your interpretation of my comments, and there's no way that I was referring to how we discuss feminism. I left off "thread" when I mentioned feminism, therefore I was making the ridiculous assertion you claim I was. Right.

And it's simply disingenuous of me to think that you left for a while after you threw a fit about the horrors of rehashed arguments that involve drugs (compared often on the board to other often rehashed topics such as libertarianism, anarchism, magickque, etc.).

Truly pathetic.  Your "got it" post is a direct reply to mine, and only an idiot would think otherwise.  Why do you insist on treating me as an idiot, Net? 

And do you mean the time I "left" because, oh, it was the last month of term, the busiest time of year for my job, and I had paperwork and emails coming out of every orifice?  Newsflash: not every event in my life is tied into PD.

But since we're bringing things up from the past, I'd like you to all know Net's criticisms of me are just because I won't sleep with him.

[Cain]

Remember kids, Net wants us to have constructive discussions.

Except when we say something that upsets him, in which case making shit up, insults and interpreting what the other person says with ill intent is perfectly acceptable.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I would LIKE to say that this kind of discussion is the cancer killing PD, but that's so played out it isn't even a thing anymore.

I WILL say that whatever tangents we go off on, to whatever extremes we go to piss each other off, we should try not to lose sight of the fact that in the great sea of human cognitive feces that is the Internet, it is unlikely that you will find another place where you can alternate between Full Enlightenment to Full Baboon as quickly or with as much tolerance as you can here.


I will also say that somewhere, deep down, we all wish you would sleep with us, Cain.

[Cain]

This is a fact.

There is also a certain wry amusement in that what I was initially getting at was at least threads like the libertarianism one, which people traditionally dislike and complain about, do not cause the apparently huge fights the more recent threads have.

Which of course, sparked a fight.  Life is nothing if not ironic.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

It seems like I'm putting my foot in it all over the interwebs today/recently. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Okay, acknowledged. That was mostly directed at Vex anyway.

"Faggot" yes, "retard" yes, "nigger" no. I've never seen a non-black person acting stereotypically dark skinned, which is how the others work as insults.

What the actual fuck does this mean?

For whatever reason, a lot of straight guys find the concept of fucking a man in the ass funny as hell. Most wouldn't deny a guy the right if that's his thing but, from my point of view at least, it's definitely funny. So when someone I'm with says something in conversation that could be construed (however tangentially) as a come on or something like that, we'll rag on him for his gayness.

You probably know how the retard thing works, right?

With "Nigger" however, that means black person. I think in america you have black stereotypes but not so much in my neck of the woods so I can't think of a situation where someone would do something that reminded me of a black person, aside from having dark skin which doesn't happen to white people.

Huh, maybe somewhere elsewhere you can avoid being a baboon-hooting pussyflogging piece of shit.

Mayeb you could teach me some time 

That's OK, I already have one dog to train.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

In retrospect, discussing libertarianism wasn't so bad.

Jesus, Cain, really? I didn't expect that from you.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That the large amount of personally heated disagreement and drama these threads is apparently causing makes the libertarian threads seem a lot less worse by comparison.  I could have used "anarchism" or "magick" just as well in the same sentence, and considered it.

Thanks for making it abundantly clear that this board is not for me, or for any woman who isn't willing to take it like a man.