No Cause, No Ally

[Cain]

That the large amount of personally heated disagreement and drama these threads is apparently causing makes the libertarian threads seem a lot less worse by comparison.  I could have used "anarchism" or "magick" just as well in the same sentence, and considered it.

Thanks for making it abundantly clear that this board is not for me, or for any woman who isn't willing to take it like a man. 

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That the large amount of personally heated disagreement and drama these threads is apparently causing makes the libertarian threads seem a lot less worse by comparison.  I could have used "anarchism" or "magick" just as well in the same sentence, and considered it.

Thanks for making it abundantly clear that this board is not for me, or for any woman who isn't willing to take it like a man. 

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.

What I am getting from that comparison is that the discussion about feminism, equality, and egalitarianism is going to go around and around endlessly and never get anywhere because there's a contingent here who is against even HEARING what women have to say about their lives and experience, so we should SHUT THE FUCK UP. If that is not what you mean to say vis a vis that comparison, you might want to try clarifying, because YOU JUST MADE THAT COMPARISON.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You basically just stuck your dick in it, Cain, so don't EVEN fucking try to make it someone else's fault or claim we're deliberately misunderstanding you. That's BULL FUCKING SHIT.

[Cain]

No I did not.  And if you had rest the rest of my posts, you would know that.

In fact, I made it explicitly clear I was not making an point about rehashing arguments.  My point, if you had bothered to read on, was that a topic, traditionally disliked by many on this forum, would at this point be infinitely preferable to what is going on, which is posters at each other's throats for next to no reason, and people who were friends, or at least on a friendly basis, suddenly turning against each other.

I'd rather rehash any topic any day than deal with any topic on any day which produces the latter, regardless of content.

But no, it must be because I hate talking about such topics and think you should all stfu.  That perfectly explains my contributions to the feminism threads thus far, or that I helped kick off the discussion about patriarchy and how it can affect men as well as women.  Because I think it's silly and not worth discussing.

[Cain]

You basically just stuck your dick in it, Cain, so don't EVEN fucking try to make it someone else's fault or claim we're deliberately misunderstanding you. That's BULL FUCKING SHIT.

Sure it is.  But go ahead, call me a sexist.  Never mind it goes against all the available evidence and what everyone knows about me, you clearly feel the need to have a go at me for some reason, so have at it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You basically just stuck your dick in it, Cain, so don't EVEN fucking try to make it someone else's fault or claim we're deliberately misunderstanding you. That's BULL FUCKING SHIT.

Sure it is.  But go ahead, call me a sexist.  Never mind it goes against all the available evidence and what everyone knows about me, you clearly feel the need to have a go at me for some reason, so have at it.

I DON'T think you're a sexist. What I DO think is that you said something stupid and ill-advised. I have a problem with what you said, not with who you are.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

No I did not.  And if you had rest the rest of my posts, you would know that.

In fact, I made it explicitly clear I was not making an point about rehashing arguments.  My point, if you had bothered to read on, was that a topic, traditionally disliked by many on this forum, would at this point be infinitely preferable to what is going on, which is posters at each other's throats for next to no reason, and people who were friends, or at least on a friendly basis, suddenly turning against each other.

I'd rather rehash any topic any day than deal with any topic on any day which produces the latter, regardless of content.

But no, it must be because I hate talking about such topics and think you should all stfu.  That perfectly explains my contributions to the feminism threads thus far, or that I helped kick off the discussion about patriarchy and how it can affect men as well as women.  Because I think it's silly and not worth discussing.

And, I find topics like these very useful for helping me determine who I actually want to be my friend. This topic has helped me to weed a couple people out. In case anyone is feeling paranoid, it isn't anyone who doesn't know it for sure.

[Cain]

So why say this in response to me?

Thanks for making it abundantly clear that this board is not for me, or for any woman who isn't willing to take it like a man.[/b

Looks to me like an accusation of sexism.

Not to mention "putting my dick in it".

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So why say this in response to me?

Thanks for making it abundantly clear that this board is not for me, or for any woman who isn't willing to take it like a man.[/b

Looks to me like an accusation of sexism.

Not to mention "putting my dick in it".

That was my response to WHAT YOU SAID.

Do you want to clarify that it was a mistake, or do you want to flog me for reading it wrong? Pick one.

[Cain]

Well, I'd like an apology for the comment.  I don't especially like being called sexist.

And how is that in any way a response to what I said?  No, it was a response to what you thought I said, once you parsed it via context and subjective interpretation (incorrectly).  Nothing in my comment directly says in any way that I think women should "take it like a man" or leave, and my explanation should have made that even more clear.  There was no good basis for such a comment and I actually find it rather hurtful that you could suggest such a thing, given what I have previously said on the topic of feminism.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Well, I'd like an apology for the comment.  I don't especially like being called sexist.

And how is that in any way a response to what I said?  No, it was a response to what you thought I said, once you parsed it via context and subjective interpretation (incorrectly).  Nothing in my comment directly says in any way that I think women should "take it like a man" or leave, and my explanation should have made that even more clear.  There was no good basis for such a comment and I actually find it rather hurtful that you could suggest such a thing, given what I have previously said on the topic of feminism.

You'll get an apology after you apologize for your dismissive and condescending comparison. Not before.

[Juana]

Okay, acknowledged. That was mostly directed at Vex anyway.

"Faggot" yes, "retard" yes, "nigger" no. I've never seen a non-black person acting stereotypically dark skinned, which is how the others work as insults.

What the actual fuck does this mean?

For whatever reason, a lot of straight guys find the concept of fucking a man in the ass funny as hell. Most wouldn't deny a guy the right if that's his thing but, from my point of view at least, it's definitely funny. So when someone I'm with says something in conversation that could be construed (however tangentially) as a come on or something like that, we'll rag on him for his gayness.

You probably know how the retard thing works, right?

With "Nigger" however, that means black person. I think in america you have black stereotypes but not so much in my neck of the woods so I can't think of a situation where someone would do something that reminded me of a black person, aside from having dark skin which doesn't happen to white people.

Yeah, no. Thanks for contributing to the stigma of homosexuality.

No, actually. Enlighten me.

That makes precisely no sense in relation to your original comment.

[Salty]

Look, ignorance is one thing, but I refuse to accept that anyone here wants women, or anyone else feminism supports, to lick boots until I see a smoking gun. So far all see is overly-heated, poorly ventilated debate.

On that note, Pent:

I don't really care what the reasons are, whenever anyone says the word fag, faggot, or says that's gay in such a way that attempts to be funny or amusing I just get pissed off. It's not that I am offended. No, I have an instant reaction where my brain goes back in time to people using those words to try to turn me into nothing. To make me afraid, to put me in my place. That straight guys think it's funny is irrelevant to me.

Now, confronted with such a scenario I have two options. The first one, in order, is: go into a detailed history of gay rights and queer living in America before such rights were appropriated. This is a long process, but if the person has any brains at all they will realize they better remember who is in the room before they talk like that.

The other option, if the first fails, is to write them off as human and make sure I can make their life painful in some way for as long as possible.

I would never tell anyone not to talk like that. I would merely illustrate that it's a fucked up, backwards, Sarah Palin kind of thinking and if they can't or won't understand that...fuck em.

[Juana]

^^^ That.

[LMNO]

I play around with the gay trope sometimes around my friends, but in a way that makes it a positive.  That whole "glorious faggot" thing (although I still can't say "faggot" in a non-PD context with any sort of comfort).