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Egalitarianism
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:12:52 am »
I thought I had more, but after some thought, it really boiled down one (possibly redundant why-are-you-asking-of-course-I-am!) question: I realize this isn't a Movement or a Cause, but as an idea, are you intending, on top of it being your individual behavior, to critique society?
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 12:19:24 am »
For me it is more individual behavior than social critique or even political statement. I will not conduct myself in a way that gives consideration to stereotypes or prejudice, and I won't tolerate those around me doing that either. Beyond that, I try to spread that position. It is enough work examining myself and my own actions and eliminating those behaviors.
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 12:19:48 am »
I thought I had more, but after some thought, it really boiled down one (possibly redundant why-are-you-asking-of-course-I-am!) question: I realize this isn't a Movement or a Cause, but as an idea, are you intending, on top of it being your individual behavior, to critique society?

Not any more.  It doesn't do any good.  I mean, I'll still laugh at shit, but I am for the forseeable future operating at an individual level.  If I SEE shit, I'll react to it...But I'm not going looking for it.

Mostly, I think, because I don't seem to agree with many people on what "eglatarianism" IS.

To me, it's the following:  All humans are people until proven otherwise1.  All humans have the same rights.

That's it.





1  You have to be in the Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot club to prove yourself not human.
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 12:31:11 am »
For me it comes back to a fragment of my Catholic upbringing.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 12:38:56 am »
Prediction: this will lead to at least another three spinoff threads, where the same song and dance that happened in the previous threads will inevitably occur.

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 12:46:14 am »
:lulz:
For me it is more individual behavior than social critique or even political statement. I will not conduct myself in a way that gives consideration to stereotypes or prejudice, and I won't tolerate those around me doing that either. Beyond that, I try to spread that position. It is enough work examining myself and my own actions and eliminating those behaviors.
Yes, but without critiquing society, how are you supposed to change some of the more subtle parts of your behavior or call out people who do those self-same things? I have no idea whether or not the pussy/cunt discussion changed your opinion of the words, but would you have thought of it if someone else hadn't brought it up?
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 12:50:03 am »
:lulz:
For me it is more individual behavior than social critique or even political statement. I will not conduct myself in a way that gives consideration to stereotypes or prejudice, and I won't tolerate those around me doing that either. Beyond that, I try to spread that position. It is enough work examining myself and my own actions and eliminating those behaviors.
Yes, but without critiquing society, how are you supposed to change some of the more subtle parts of your behavior or call out people who do those self-same things? I have no idea whether or not the pussy/cunt discussion changed your opinion of the words, but would you have thought of it if someone else hadn't brought it up?

That has merely illustrated - once again, because I'm a slow learner - that the moment a Discordian allows ANYTHING to offend him/her, that Discordian has allowed society (even inside of Discordianism) to jam a steering wheel up his/her ass, to be driven hither and yon.

Personally, I've decided to not use a few words.  But I also learned about the steering wheel again, and I saw first hand who had one up their colon, and who didn't.  I did.  I don't now.

So I see precisely no value in this.
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 12:57:47 am »
I thought I had more, but after some thought, it really boiled down one (possibly redundant why-are-you-asking-of-course-I-am!) question: I realize this isn't a Movement or a Cause, but as an idea, are you intending, on top of it being your individual behavior, to critique society?

Not any more.  It doesn't do any good.  I mean, I'll still laugh at shit, but I am for the forseeable future operating at an individual level.  If I SEE shit, I'll react to it...But I'm not going looking for it.

Mostly, I think, because I don't seem to agree with many people on what "eglatarianism" IS.

To me, it's the following:  All humans are people until proven otherwise1.  All humans have the same rights.

That's it.





1  You have to be in the Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot club to prove yourself not human.

Is there a reason you use that spelling? At first I assumed it was a typo but you use it consistently.
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 12:58:46 am »
I thought I had more, but after some thought, it really boiled down one (possibly redundant why-are-you-asking-of-course-I-am!) question: I realize this isn't a Movement or a Cause, but as an idea, are you intending, on top of it being your individual behavior, to critique society?

Not any more.  It doesn't do any good.  I mean, I'll still laugh at shit, but I am for the forseeable future operating at an individual level.  If I SEE shit, I'll react to it...But I'm not going looking for it.

Mostly, I think, because I don't seem to agree with many people on what "eglatarianism" IS.

To me, it's the following:  All humans are people until proven otherwise1.  All humans have the same rights.

That's it.





1  You have to be in the Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot club to prove yourself not human.

Is there a reason you use that spelling? At first I assumed it was a typo but you use it consistently.

Not really.  Spelled it wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 12:58:56 am »
:lulz:
For me it is more individual behavior than social critique or even political statement. I will not conduct myself in a way that gives consideration to stereotypes or prejudice, and I won't tolerate those around me doing that either. Beyond that, I try to spread that position. It is enough work examining myself and my own actions and eliminating those behaviors.
Yes, but without critiquing society, how are you supposed to change some of the more subtle parts of your behavior or call out people who do those self-same things? I have no idea whether or not the pussy/cunt discussion changed your opinion of the words, but would you have thought of it if someone else hadn't brought it up?

That has merely illustrated - once again, because I'm a slow learner - that the moment a Discordian allows ANYTHING to offend him/her, that Discordian has allowed society (even inside of Discordianism) to jam a steering wheel up his/her ass, to be driven hither and yon.

Personally, I've decided to not use a few words.  But I also learned about the steering wheel again, and I saw first hand who had one up their colon, and who didn't.  I did.  I don't now.

So I see precisely no value in this.

I disagree with this, and it sounds like butthurt.

But it is, alternately, possible that I am wrong, and that it is time for Discordianism and I to part ways because it doesn't fit me or my objectives anymore.
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 01:00:12 am »


I disagree with this, and it sounds like butthurt.



One or the other.  I don't care.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 01:36:53 am »


I disagree with this, and it sounds like butthurt.



One or the other.  I don't care.

I didn't know P3nt was contagious.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 01:39:18 am »


I disagree with this, and it sounds like butthurt.



One or the other.  I don't care.

I didn't know P3nt was contagious.

I meant I didn't care if it was butthurt.  Whole world runs on butthurt, why not me?
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 05:52:07 am »
:lulz:
For me it is more individual behavior than social critique or even political statement. I will not conduct myself in a way that gives consideration to stereotypes or prejudice, and I won't tolerate those around me doing that either. Beyond that, I try to spread that position. It is enough work examining myself and my own actions and eliminating those behaviors.
Yes, but without critiquing society, how are you supposed to change some of the more subtle parts of your behavior or call out people who do those self-same things? I have no idea whether or not the pussy/cunt discussion changed your opinion of the words, but would you have thought of it if someone else hadn't brought it up?

That has merely illustrated - once again, because I'm a slow learner - that the moment a Discordian allows ANYTHING to offend him/her, that Discordian has allowed society (even inside of Discordianism) to jam a steering wheel up his/her ass, to be driven hither and yon.

Personally, I've decided to not use a few words.  But I also learned about the steering wheel again, and I saw first hand who had one up their colon, and who didn't.  I did.  I don't now.

So I see precisely no value in this.
I wasn't offended (because yeah, if you get offended, you lose). I simply wanted to point out what the word ultimately does and maybe encourage some people to think about it.

But anyway, to combat shitty behavior on your own level, you have to realize what that shitty behavior *is*, yes? And like I said, some of that shit is subtle and insidious and not immediately evident. Would you be looking out for those subtle behaviors? (not suggesting that you call them out, necessarily, but just asking a question).
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Re: Egalitarianism
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 08:02:59 am »
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