How most men, even good caring men, have no clue what women go through

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I have one last thing to add to this conversation:

Nobody on PD is part of the problem.  Nobody on PD is who is perpetuating the fucking patriarchy or whatever the hell you want to call it.  If ANYONE here says someone here is part of the problem, you're smoking dogshit.  Yeah, I said that myself at one point or another, so I'm gonna be toking up right next to you.  Budge over, spags.

So stop this shit.  You are not talking to teabaggers.  You are not talking to Goddamn Pat Robertson.  You're talking to friends and allies, even if they don't want to wear the whole fucking uniform.

Nuff said.

THIS.

I'm starting to think "this dialogue is necessary" is doublespeak for "let's alientate everybody!" 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I have one last thing to add to this conversation:

Nobody on PD is part of the problem.  Nobody on PD is who is perpetuating the fucking patriarchy or whatever the hell you want to call it.  If ANYONE here says someone here is part of the problem, you're smoking dogshit.  Yeah, I said that myself at one point or another, so I'm gonna be toking up right next to you.  Budge over, spags.

So stop this shit.  You are not talking to teabaggers.  You are not talking to Goddamn Pat Robertson.  You're talking to friends and allies, even if they don't want to wear the whole fucking uniform.

Nuff said.

THIS.

I'm starting to think "this dialogue is necessary" is doublespeak for "let's alientate everybody!" 

Not only that...Quiet as it is, you'd think no bastard had ever seen a fit of Holy Rage^TM before.

In the old days of PD, they'd be fighting over who got to crucify me.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I have one last thing to add to this conversation:

Nobody on PD is part of the problem.  Nobody on PD is who is perpetuating the fucking patriarchy or whatever the hell you want to call it.  If ANYONE here says someone here is part of the problem, you're smoking dogshit.  Yeah, I said that myself at one point or another, so I'm gonna be toking up right next to you.  Budge over, spags.

So stop this shit.  You are not talking to teabaggers.  You are not talking to Goddamn Pat Robertson.  You're talking to friends and allies, even if they don't want to wear the whole fucking uniform.

Nuff said.

THIS.

I'm starting to think "this dialogue is necessary" is doublespeak for "let's alientate everybody!" 

Not only that...Quiet as it is, you'd think no bastard had ever seen a fit of Holy Rage^TM before.

In the old days of PD, they'd be fighting over who got to crucify me.

Silence = EBG

[Juana]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I have one last thing to add to this conversation:

Nobody on PD is part of the problem.  Nobody on PD is who is perpetuating the fucking patriarchy or whatever the hell you want to call it.  If ANYONE here says someone here is part of the problem, you're smoking dogshit.  Yeah, I said that myself at one point or another, so I'm gonna be toking up right next to you.  Budge over, spags.

So stop this shit.  You are not talking to teabaggers.  You are not talking to Goddamn Pat Robertson.  You're talking to friends and allies, even if they don't want to wear the whole fucking uniform.

Nuff said.

THIS.

I'm starting to think "this dialogue is necessary" is doublespeak for "let's alientate everybody!" 

Not only that...Quiet as it is, you'd think no bastard had ever seen a fit of Holy Rage^TM before.

In the old days of PD, they'd be fighting over who got to crucify me.

Silence = EBG

Silence is an indicator of a bunch of things.

A noxious cloud of butthurt is one possibility.  Seething hatred is another.  So is shock.

This is why I won't stay silent.  SHIT YOUR HATE, OR YOU WILL DIE TURN INTO EB&G.  I'd rather hang my red & inflamed ass out when I'm pissed off...If nothing else, it explains your position.

Also, I tend to become un-pissed after I've vented my spleen.

It's not for everyone, I guess.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

[AFK]

It's actually how things can get processed here in the WHN compund, not in front of the kiddos of course.  Sometimes a little rage, purely verbal, has to happen so everything gets put out and worked out.  Most of the time we figure out whatever was pissing us off was stupid and just bad communication.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's actually how things can get processed here in the WHN compund, not in front of the kiddos of course.  Sometimes a little rage, purely verbal, has to happen so everything gets put out and worked out.  Most of the time we figure out whatever was pissing us off was stupid and just bad communication.

Odd fact:  My whole life has been LOUD.  With Jenn, I am quiet.

Go figure.

But, yeah, it's better to air shit out, most times.

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You're talking to friends and allies, even if they don't want to wear the whole fucking uniform.

Where the fuck is Hugo Boss when you need him!?

[Juana]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

1. I'm aware, but PD's drama llama has been riding high recently and I didn't want to be the one calling it in for a victory lap.

2. It did get pretty ugly. I'm still hoping that now that we've got the drama behind us (I hope), maybe there might be some actual discussion of it sometime in the future.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

1. I'm aware, but PD's drama llama has been riding high recently and I didn't want to be the one calling it in for a victory lap.

2. It did get pretty ugly. I'm still hoping that now that we've got the drama behind us (I hope), maybe there might be some actual discussion of it sometime in the future.

1.  Trust me on this one, Garbo...This is NOTHING.  We had a temper tantrum that lasted from 2004 to 2006.  We'll survive some drama.

2.  Maybe.  There's still the intrinsic problems that A)  Everyone here is already on your side, the best you can do is oversell it, and B) It is a subject that is best discussed with specific examples, or you run the risk of going right back in the shitter when the conversation inevitably turns to ideology tests.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

1. I'm aware, but PD's drama llama has been riding high recently and I didn't want to be the one calling it in for a victory lap.

2. It did get pretty ugly. I'm still hoping that now that we've got the drama behind us (I hope), maybe there might be some actual discussion of it sometime in the future.

You really think another one of these is going to be different?

Somebody start a drug thread. FFS.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

1. I'm aware, but PD's drama llama has been riding high recently and I didn't want to be the one calling it in for a victory lap.

2. It did get pretty ugly. I'm still hoping that now that we've got the drama behind us (I hope), maybe there might be some actual discussion of it sometime in the future.

You really think another one of these is going to be different?

Somebody start a drug thread. FFS.

I think it could, if we were talking about a specific issue or event.  Otherwise, it's just evangelism.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

1. I'm aware, but PD's drama llama has been riding high recently and I didn't want to be the one calling it in for a victory lap.

2. It did get pretty ugly. I'm still hoping that now that we've got the drama behind us (I hope), maybe there might be some actual discussion of it sometime in the future.

You really think another one of these is going to be different?

Somebody start a drug thread. FFS.

I think it could, if we were talking about a specific issue or event.  Otherwise, it's just evangelism.

Psycho Bicycle Guy On The Train was a specific event. That went south pretty fast.

Maybe stick to a specific issue or event?

[Juana]

We did kind of rove everywhere, yeah, although endless spin-off threads for new issues would've been equally annoying.

I'm hesitant to weigh in on this, but without dialogue, no one learns anything, no one looks at their beliefs (no matter which side of what issue), and nothing can change. Stagnation is death.

1.  Why be hesitant?  Nobody can reach through the monitor and choke you.

2.  There wasn't much dialogue.  There usually isn't, on subjects like this.  There was lecturing, there was rage, and there was an extremist mentality that let to what were essentially "purity tests" on ideology.  And do you know what ideology gets you?  I do, and I was STILL dumb enough to try to cram my fat, hairy ass into a uniform...And all it cost me was a friendship I value very, very highly.  If there's dialogue, there's an exchange of ideas, not blunt objects to the head...And if you tell me that there wasn't A LOT of that - again, on both sides - then I shall have to send you to RWHN for drug counseling.

1. I'm aware, but PD's drama llama has been riding high recently and I didn't want to be the one calling it in for a victory lap.

2. It did get pretty ugly. I'm still hoping that now that we've got the drama behind us (I hope), maybe there might be some actual discussion of it sometime in the future.

1.  Trust me on this one, Garbo...This is NOTHING.  We had a temper tantrum that lasted from 2004 to 2006.  We'll survive some drama.

2.  Maybe.  There's still the intrinsic problems that A)  Everyone here is already on your side, the best you can do is oversell it, and B) It is a subject that is best discussed with specific examples, or you run the risk of going right back in the shitter when the conversation inevitably turns to ideology tests.

1. I have heard tell of that one, a little bit. I believe it was described as a civil war.

2. I think it started off as a discussion and then turned into a sales pitch somewhere along the way. I don't remember why, but IIRC, that's what happened. If that is avoided, I think we can talk about it.